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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilo View Post
    the Father is not the Holy Spirit
    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Of course he is the holy Spirit. How do you think Mary became pregnant?

    "After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit." (Matthew 1:18)

    Jesus acknowledged the Most High as his Father.
    Nope.
    HE IS RISEN. Matthew 28:6 (KJV) Mark 16:6 (KJV) Luke 24:6 (KJV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilo View Post
    the Son is not the Holy Spirit.
    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Of course he is the holy Spirit.

    "And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous" (1 John 2:1)

    Jesus is our Helper.
    Nope.
    HE IS RISEN. Matthew 28:6 (KJV) Mark 16:6 (KJV) Luke 24:6 (KJV)

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    10Create in me a clean heart, O G-d; and renew a right spirit within me. 11Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy sp-rit from me. 12Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit. 13Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee. 14Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O G-d, thou G-d of my salvation: and my tongue shall sing aloud of thy righteousness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the589 View Post
    10Create in me a clean heart, O G-d; and renew a right spirit within me. 11Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy sp-rit from me. 12Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit. 13Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee. 14Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O G-d, thou G-d of my salvation: and my tongue shall sing aloud of thy righteousness.
    This is the prayer of a regenerate man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    This is the prayer of a regenerate man.
    That was David. Isaiah also gives more insight to the sp-rit of G-d. Some say this is also messianic prophecy (Jesus) and also Jesse is related to prophecy in Genesis, complicated prophecy related to the tribe of naptali and all of that. But theologically this gives some understanding of the sp-rit

    1And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2And the sp-rit of the L-RD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the L-RD; 3And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the L-RD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: 4But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. 5And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilo View Post
    Nope.
    Why do you believe scripture is in error?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilo View Post
    Nope.
    Is scripture wrong again?

    Or is it your knowledge of scripture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    This problem is just one of many that arise when the term God is used. In understanding the term Elohim meaning Mighty, all Powerful and Almighty, it removes the problem. The question then becomes. Is the Father Almighty...YES Is The Son Almighty...YES Is The Holy Spirit Almighty...YES.

    Add to this the absolute fact that only Elohim is Holy and then ask, Is The Father Holy...YES Is The Son Holy...YES Is The Holy Spirit Holy...YES.
    It should also be inquired is the Father eternal....yes

    Is the Son eternal...yes

    Is the Holy Spirit eternal...yes.

    This means they were one with each other before the creation of the heavens and the earth and before the angelic host.

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    Nihilo claims scripture does not agree with his beliefs.

    He says the Son is not the holy Spirit.

    But what does scripture say?

    Jesus said, "I will not leave you orphans, I will come to you." (John 14:18)

    Why would anyone not believe that?

    "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name" (John 14:26)

    Do you believe the "Helper" is the holy Spirit?

    What is the Greek word that was translated Helper?

    "G3875
    παράκλητος
    paraklētos
    par-ak'-lay-tos
    An intercessor, consoler: - advocate, comforter." (Strong's)

    The parakletos is the holy Spirit.

    The parakletos is an advocate.

    "And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous." (1 John 2:1)

    What is the Greek word for Advocate?

    The Greek word is parakletos.

    It's plain the parakletos is Jesus Christ, the holy Spirit.

    Do you believe scripture?

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    Why do people try to make it so difficult. God created everything. The Father is the only true God. Jesus said so, Paul said so. Why don't you just believe Jesus and Paul.


    John 17:1-3
    1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
    2 "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
    3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
    (NKJ)

    John 20:17
    17 Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.'"
    (NKJ)

    1 Cor 8:6
    6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
    (NKJ)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Why do you believe scripture is in error?
    I don't. You're wrong.
    HE IS RISEN. Matthew 28:6 (KJV) Mark 16:6 (KJV) Luke 24:6 (KJV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Is scripture wrong again?

    Or is it your knowledge of scripture?
    You're wrong. That's it.
    HE IS RISEN. Matthew 28:6 (KJV) Mark 16:6 (KJV) Luke 24:6 (KJV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilo View Post
    I don't. You're wrong.
    An opinion not supported by scripture is just an opinion.

    You have posted no scriptures to prove your point.

    So you opinion is worth less than nothing to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilo View Post
    You're wrong. That's it.
    Thanks for your opinion.

    We all have one.

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    I've had these discussions in the past.

    From what I have seen, trinitarians do consider themselves monotheists. Yet to outsiders the idea appears absurd, and all of the semantic exercises given to support it just don't make sense. Often the discussion ends with somebody explaining that it is a mystery, and humans just can't understand it. Beameup has already said something along those lines.

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