User Tag List

Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast
Results 16 to 30 of 59

Thread: 2 confrontations about Israel's kingdom

  1. #16
    Silver Member SaulToPaul's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Charlotte, NC
    Posts
    17,873
    Thanks
    2,898
    Thanked 18,247 Times in 10,751 Posts

    Mentioned
    20 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)


    Rep Power
    2147790
    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    Do you mean that particular one (Mt 25), or that Scripture in general is quite difficult to follow? It certainly is, and I can understand why people thought 2P2P was such a great idea at first. Chafer developed it because he said Scripture is a mess of conflicting messages.

    If you meant passages about the kingdom as a category, here are a couple pointers: 'basileu' is better as 'reign.' If you put 'kingdom' you are going to get entangled in the leftover expectations about Israel--the same ones the disciples were raised in in Lk 24:21 and Acts 1:6. Both of which were when they were unable to see what his reign was. so they thought he meant the usual---a Davidic theocracy with glorious positions for them. He did not.

    D'ism keeps trying this.

    The descriptions of his kingdom are not that brick and mortar. He does not have properties, lands, boundaries in his. It moves like the wind. There are no flags, no external markers. yet it asks all rulers on earth to submit to the exalted and enthroned Son of God, or face a nasty ending. Just see how many times Ps 2 is quoted about that!

    Another thing you can do about kingdom passages is just learn about Christ's mission in general until THAT is your understanding of what God is doing since the Gospel event. Because his 'reign' was really just an alternate name for that mission.
    From which commentary is this lifted?
    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    You're too literal to get it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    The New Covenant preceded the Old Covenant.

  2. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to SaulToPaul For Your Post:

    lifeisgood (September 18th, 2017),steko (September 13th, 2017),Tambora (September 21st, 2017)

  3. #17
    Silver Member SaulToPaul's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Charlotte, NC
    Posts
    17,873
    Thanks
    2,898
    Thanked 18,247 Times in 10,751 Posts

    Mentioned
    20 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)


    Rep Power
    2147790
    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    The descriptions of his kingdom are not that brick and mortar. He does not have properties, lands, boundaries in his. It moves like the wind.
    100% made up. Why?
    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    You're too literal to get it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    The New Covenant preceded the Old Covenant.

  4. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to SaulToPaul For Your Post:

    lifeisgood (September 18th, 2017),steko (September 13th, 2017),Tambora (September 21st, 2017)

  5. #18
    TOL Subscriber
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    near Olympic National Park
    Posts
    12,045
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 641 Times in 568 Posts

    Mentioned
    11 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Rep Power
    186459
    D'ism is so clever! You can have Christ refer to the disciples foolish hearts (Lk 24) and then tell them a certain topic is none of their business (Acts 1) and it's still not a rebuke or rebukes! I'll if that works where I work!
    All Lives Matter --Marcus Sanford, youtube.com

  6. #19
    TOL Subscriber
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    near Olympic National Park
    Posts
    12,045
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 641 Times in 568 Posts

    Mentioned
    11 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Rep Power
    186459
    I'm not here to win. I'm here to see more people saturated with the heart of the Bible, that the Seed was Christ, to work in his mission. I don't see where straining to show a land promise for Israel helps with that at all.
    All Lives Matter --Marcus Sanford, youtube.com

  7. #20
    Silver Member SaulToPaul's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Charlotte, NC
    Posts
    17,873
    Thanks
    2,898
    Thanked 18,247 Times in 10,751 Posts

    Mentioned
    20 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)


    Rep Power
    2147790
    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    I'm not here to win. I'm here to see more people saturated with the heart of the Bible, that the Seed was Christ, to work in his mission. I don't see where straining to show a land promise for Israel helps with that at all.
    Sure.
    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    You're too literal to get it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    The New Covenant preceded the Old Covenant.

  8. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to SaulToPaul For Your Post:

    lifeisgood (September 18th, 2017),steko (September 13th, 2017),Tambora (September 21st, 2017)

  9. #21
    Body part Right Divider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Posts
    8,954
    Thanks
    6,003
    Thanked 9,488 Times in 5,675 Posts

    Blog Entries
    4
    Mentioned
    15 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    2147621

    Thumbs down

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    D'ism is so clever! You can have Christ refer to the disciples foolish hearts (Lk 24) and then tell them a certain topic is none of their business (Acts 1) and it's still not a rebuke or rebukes! I'll if that works where I work!
    Grammar 101

    P.S. He did NOT tell them that the RESTORED KINGDOM was none of their business, simply that the TIMING was not for them to know. You're dishonest or stupid once again.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    The list: http://theologyonline.com/entry.php?...quot-list-quot Great Bible software: http://www.theword.net/

  10. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Right Divider For Your Post:

    JudgeRightly (September 13th, 2017),lifeisgood (September 18th, 2017),steko (September 13th, 2017),Tambora (September 21st, 2017)

  11. #22
    Body part Right Divider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Posts
    8,954
    Thanks
    6,003
    Thanked 9,488 Times in 5,675 Posts

    Blog Entries
    4
    Mentioned
    15 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    2147621

    Lightbulb

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    D'ism is so clever! You can have Christ refer to the disciples foolish hearts (Lk 24) and then tell them a certain topic is none of their business (Acts 1) and it's still not a rebuke or rebukes! I'll if that works where I work!
    I would also like to note your ignorance about WHO Jesus was talking to in these cases. They are NOT the same people.

    In Luke 24 you have a couple of disciples and NOT any of the eleven (Judas Iscariot had not been replaced yet).

    Luke 24:18 (AKJV/PCE)
    (24:18) And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?

    Luke 24:33-35 (AKJV/PCE)
    (24:33) And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them, (24:34) Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon. (24:35) And they told what things [were done] in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.

    So NONE of the 12 apostles were the ones that were told that they were "slow of heart to believe" in THAT case.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    The list: http://theologyonline.com/entry.php?...quot-list-quot Great Bible software: http://www.theword.net/

  12. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Right Divider For Your Post:

    JudgeRightly (September 13th, 2017),lifeisgood (September 18th, 2017),SaulToPaul (September 13th, 2017),Tambora (September 21st, 2017)

  13. #23
    Silver Member SaulToPaul's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Charlotte, NC
    Posts
    17,873
    Thanks
    2,898
    Thanked 18,247 Times in 10,751 Posts

    Mentioned
    20 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)


    Rep Power
    2147790
    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    D'ism is so clever!
    Yep, take God at his word, and all things fall into their rightful place.
    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    You're too literal to get it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    The New Covenant preceded the Old Covenant.

  14. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to SaulToPaul For Your Post:

    JudgeRightly (September 13th, 2017),lifeisgood (September 18th, 2017),Right Divider (September 13th, 2017),Tambora (September 21st, 2017)

  15. #24
    Over 5000 post club
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    L.A.
    Posts
    5,043
    Thanks
    30
    Thanked 532 Times in 408 Posts

    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    192505
    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They are in the NT.

    He reigns already; we reign in Him. Cp. Rom 8:37, 2 Cor 2:14, 6:10. There's that kind of reigning vs a theocracy. Show me where in the Rev the happy reign takes place. Instead it ends with the final trouble for believers at which they are rescued and the NHNE comes. Rev 20:4 puts the whole 'long reign' of Christ in heaven. But the Rev is heavily symbolic and visionary. I just don't find a reign on earth clearly validated in the plain language passages of NT eschatology, which I have listed 1000x (to use another symbol).

    There is either the contradiction of reigning in this life or the bliss of the NHNE.

    As for your Mt 19 and Lk 22 references, Lk 22 sets the time pretty tightly: their next supper like that will be in the kingdom. and he ends by saying he is conferring it upon them right then. They led "Israel." Other passages like this says along with persecutions and others say the position the disciples seek is secured by the loss of their lives, like him. Because they claimed they could drink his cup. I don't see where this is any thing other than what is about to happen at Pentecost, and "power" in Acts 1:8 is a king's authority and force, and it is certainly not distant future.

    Hia and where in Rev 20:4 does it mention that Jesus reign is in HEAVEN ?

    Verse 3 we see that Satan will again LOOSED upon the nations and verse 8 DOOM your THEORY !!

    dan p

  16. #25
    Silver Member SaulToPaul's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Charlotte, NC
    Posts
    17,873
    Thanks
    2,898
    Thanked 18,247 Times in 10,751 Posts

    Mentioned
    20 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)


    Rep Power
    2147790
    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    Yep, take God at his word, and all things fall into their rightful place.
    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    You're too literal to get it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    The New Covenant preceded the Old Covenant.

  17. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to SaulToPaul For Your Post:

    JudgeRightly (September 18th, 2017),lifeisgood (September 18th, 2017),steko (September 18th, 2017),Tambora (September 21st, 2017)

  18. #26
    Body part Right Divider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Posts
    8,954
    Thanks
    6,003
    Thanked 9,488 Times in 5,675 Posts

    Blog Entries
    4
    Mentioned
    15 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    2147621

    Lightbulb

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    D'ism is so clever! You can have Christ refer to the disciples foolish hearts (Lk 24) and then tell them a certain topic is none of their business (Acts 1) and it's still not a rebuke or rebukes! I'll if that works where I work!
    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    I would also like to note your ignorance about WHO Jesus was talking to in these cases. They are NOT the same people.

    In Luke 24 you have a couple of disciples and NOT any of the eleven (Judas Iscariot had not been replaced yet).

    Luke 24:18 (AKJV/PCE)
    (24:18) And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?

    Luke 24:33-35 (AKJV/PCE)
    (24:33) And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them, (24:34) Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon. (24:35) And they told what things [were done] in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.

    So NONE of the 12 apostles were the ones that were told that they were "slow of heart to believe" in THAT case.
    I wonder why IP never replied to this post.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    The list: http://theologyonline.com/entry.php?...quot-list-quot Great Bible software: http://www.theword.net/

  19. The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Right Divider For Your Post:

    JudgeRightly (September 18th, 2017),lifeisgood (September 18th, 2017),SaulToPaul (September 18th, 2017),steko (September 18th, 2017),Tambora (September 21st, 2017)

  20. #27
    Silver Member SaulToPaul's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Charlotte, NC
    Posts
    17,873
    Thanks
    2,898
    Thanked 18,247 Times in 10,751 Posts

    Mentioned
    20 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)


    Rep Power
    2147790
    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    I wonder why IP never replied to this post.
    Yep, he starts a million threads, and then conveniently disappears at the right time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    You're too literal to get it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    The New Covenant preceded the Old Covenant.

  21. The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to SaulToPaul For Your Post:

    JudgeRightly (September 18th, 2017),lifeisgood (September 18th, 2017),Right Divider (September 18th, 2017),steko (September 18th, 2017),Tambora (September 21st, 2017)

  22. #28
    TOL Subscriber
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    near Olympic National Park
    Posts
    12,045
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 641 Times in 568 Posts

    Mentioned
    11 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Rep Power
    186459
    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    I wonder why IP never replied to this post.
    It's irrelevant. He would have said the same thing to any of them.

    Look what the others do in Acts 1, asking the stupid question about Israel's kingdom, when they had been told they would be getting to power to preach him through out the world.

    I have never met anyone with more off center, off base questions than RD. I don't know if he's just extremely negative and disagreeable, but I do think he could be shown an attractive picture of his wife and find something wrong with her outfits colors.

    Perhaps the problem is how vastly different D'ism interests are from those of the text, like what Jesus gave as instructions and near-range predictions in 46-49; you know, how you hate the idea of them getting to the Gentiles?

    Or the "everything" of v44? Everything was fulfilled, including his glorification and giving of power. But, oh, no, nothing about him ruling from X000th century Jerusalem; not included in "everything" from Moses, Prophets, and Psalms. Darn.
    All Lives Matter --Marcus Sanford, youtube.com

  23. #29
    Silver Member SaulToPaul's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Charlotte, NC
    Posts
    17,873
    Thanks
    2,898
    Thanked 18,247 Times in 10,751 Posts

    Mentioned
    20 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)


    Rep Power
    2147790
    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    It's irrelevant. He would have said the same thing to any of them.

    Look what the others do in Acts 1, asking the stupid question about Israel's kingdom, when they had been told they would be getting to power to preach him through out the world.

    I have never met anyone with more off center, off base questions than RD. I don't know if he's just extremely negative and disagreeable, but I do think he could be shown an attractive picture of his wife and find something wrong with her outfits colors.

    Perhaps the problem is how vastly different D'ism interests are from those of the text, like what Jesus gave as instructions and near-range predictions in 46-49; you know, how you hate the idea of them getting to the Gentiles?

    Or the "everything" of v44? Everything was fulfilled, including his glorification and giving of power. But, oh, no, nothing about him ruling from X000th century Jerusalem; not included in "everything" from Moses, Prophets, and Psalms. Darn.
    Thanks for the opinions, Regis.
    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    You're too literal to get it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    The New Covenant preceded the Old Covenant.

  24. The Following User Says Thank You to SaulToPaul For Your Post:

    Tambora (September 22nd, 2017)

  25. #30
    Body part Right Divider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Posts
    8,954
    Thanks
    6,003
    Thanked 9,488 Times in 5,675 Posts

    Blog Entries
    4
    Mentioned
    15 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    2147621

    Exclamation

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    It's irrelevant. He would have said the same thing to any of them.
    Actually it IS relevant. It shows clearly, AGAIN, that you do not know what you're talking about.

    It shows that you are either completely INCOMPETENT with the Word of God or that your are LYING.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    Look what the others do in Acts 1, asking the stupid question about Israel's kingdom, when they had been told they would be getting to power to preach him through out the world.
    You call the twelve apostles that will judge the twelve tribes of Israel, "the others"? What a dummy you are!

    Once AGAIN, you LIE about the character of the apostles here.... but other times you tell us that we just need to take YOUR account of what they thought and meant.

    There question was not stupid, it was based on true knowledge from the LORD Jesus Christ. The LORD Jesus Christ taught them for FORTY days and YET you think that they "just didn't get it".

    That is shear ignorance on YOUR PART!

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    I have never met anyone with more off center, off base questions than RD. I don't know if he's just extremely negative and disagreeable, but I do think he could be shown an attractive picture of his wife and find something wrong with her outfits colors.
    Don't speak to me in the third person when you're replying to MY post, you sniveling little wimp.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    Perhaps the problem is how vastly different D'ism interests are from those of the text, like what Jesus gave as instructions and near-range predictions in 46-49; you know, how you hate the idea of them getting to the Gentiles?

    Or the "everything" of v44? Everything was fulfilled, including his glorification and giving of power. But, oh, no, nothing about him ruling from X000th century Jerusalem; not included in "everything" from Moses, Prophets, and Psalms. Darn.
    More fantasy from the great fiction writer and clueless one.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    The list: http://theologyonline.com/entry.php?...quot-list-quot Great Bible software: http://www.theword.net/

  26. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Right Divider For Your Post:

    JudgeRightly (September 20th, 2017),Tambora (September 21st, 2017)

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
About us
Since 1997 TheologyOnline (TOL) has been one of the most popular theology forums on the internet. On TOL we encourage spirited conversation about religion, politics, and just about everything else.

follow us