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    U.S. Immigration Policy

    What is it?
    What should it be?

    When asked in another thread what kind of immigration bill kmoney would sign he replies.


    Quote Originally Posted by kmoney
    Well, for one I'd give permanent status to anyone already here under the DACA program.
    We grant Permanent Residence status to about 1,000,000 people a year. And Permanent Residents can sponsor certain other relatives for Permanent Residency.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perman...United_States)
    There's a handy chart halfway down.

    So, if we Green Card the DACAs do we tell all the other people who've been working on immigrating for a decade or more that the pattern is full because we just burned up the quota giving green cards to people who came here illegally?

    Or do we expand the quota?

    What should the quota be?

    Should it be 2 million? 3 million? We have a population of 323 million, so 3.23 million would be 1%. If you made one state out of the new arrivals it would be ranked 30th in population.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._by_population

    I'd favor blowing up the quota, but, if you reward illegals again and again then people will just keep coming illegally knowing you're bound to have another amnesty sooner or later. And putting law breakers ahead of law followers is a bad precedent.

    Congress sets the quotas, should we raise or lower them?
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    Aren't DACA people people who came to the US as children? Did they have any say in coming to the US? Even if the federal government decides to allow them to stay why do you assume it would be faster than the people already in the process of becoming a citizen? Most likely the DACA folks would be put at the back of the line, not the front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Berean View Post
    Aren't DACA people people who came to the US as children?
    Yes
    Did they have any say in coming to the US?
    Probably not.

    Even if the federal government decides to allow them to stay why do you assume it would be faster than the people already in the process of becoming a citizen?
    That's what kmoney was advocating. I was expounding on the ramifications.

    Most likely the DACA folks would be put at the back of the line, not the front.
    Well they already sort of jumped the line in that they can work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fool View Post

    Congress sets the quotas, should we raise or lower them?
    If brought to a vote, I would vote to lower.
    OR change to a quality quota instead of a number quota.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Berean View Post
    Aren't DACA people people who came to the US as children?
    Some and some claim to be fleeing for one reason or another (runaways) and do you consider mass 17 year olds, children?


    Did they have any say in coming to the US?
    Some yes (small children who grew up here, should not be deported, they didnt break the law), and some sent here to get their parents here via "legal" channels, but really to skirt the laws on immigration to get here. Some just ran away to come here.
    Some are gang members and using the law to get here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    If brought to a vote, I would vote to lower.
    OR change to a quality quota instead of a number quota.
    The numbers are a little confusing. We have a 7% cap on green cards from any one country. But no limit on Immediate relatives of US citizens or political asylums.

    This means that big countries like China, India and Mexico have longer waiting lists.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perman...United_States)
    Half way down.
    Why a 7 percent limit on any one country?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fool View Post
    The numbers are a little confusing. We have a 7% cap on green cards from any one country. But no limit on Immediate relatives of US citizens or political asylums.
    Does that mean Mohamed can bring all of his wives and children and then bring the families of his 4 wives too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel4Truth View Post
    Does that mean Mohamed can bring all of his wives and children and then bring the families of his 4 wives too?
    Well lets' see;
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perman...United_States)
    Looks like once he has permanent residency his spouse and minor children would be F2A, so yes he can sponsor them it's a 1-2 year paperwork backlog with an 87,000 annual quota and then the 7% cap.
    I have no idea how the math voodoo works on that. But yes they would get here eventually.

    The easiest thing to do would be have $500,000. That seems that would get him an EB-5 and then he could EB-3 his wives parents and they could F2A or F2B his wives depending on whether or not the were under or over 21 and obviously he could F2A one of his wives himself.
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    If Trump's rationale for dissolving DACA after 6 month grace period is that American immigration policy should be determined by Congress and not by presidential decree, then why hasn't he adopt that same approach when he issued his infamous "Muslim" ban?

    Trump is now 7 months into his Administration and has made no effort to have an a Republican dominated Congress pass even a modified "Muslim" ban - it isn't as if they've been preoccupied passing other legislation!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post


    If Trump's rationale for dissolving DACA is that American immigration policy should be determined by Congress and not by presidential decree, why didn't he adopt that approach when he issued his infamous "Muslim" ban?

    Trump is now 7 months into his Administration and has made no effort to have an a Republican dominated Congress pass even a modified "Muslim" ban - it isn't as if they've been too busy passing other legislation!
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    Trump's base is stronger and bigger than ever. It's still growing with tons of democrats switching to Republican. Get ready for election night 2020, it's going to be Yuuuuuge !!!


    With 35% approval rating in the polls, the Republicans will be hard pressed just to retain control of the House and Senate in 2018.

    If Mueller finds that the Trump Campaign colluded with the Russians, Trump won't even be in a position to run for re-election in 2020!
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    With 35% approval rating in the polls, the Republicans will be hard pressed just to retain control of the House and Senate in 2018.

    If Mueller finds that the Trump Campaign colluded with the Russians, Trump won't even be in a position to run for re-election in 2020!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post


    If Trump's rationale for dissolving DACA after 6 month grace period is that American immigration policy should be determined by Congress and not by presidential decree, then why hasn't he adopt that same approach when he issued his infamous "Muslim" ban?
    Because that was always temporary. Well within in purview to suspend select countries until he's confident in their vetting.
    Trump is now 7 months into his Administration and has made no effort to have an a Republican dominated Congress pass even a modified "Muslim" ban - it isn't as if they've been preoccupied passing other legislation!
    Because it was always temporary. Obama did the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post


    With 35% approval rating in the polls, the Republicans will be hard pressed just to retain control of the House and Senate in 2018.
    Right, Hillary by a landslide
    If Mueller finds that the Trump Campaign colluded with the Russians, Trump won't even be in a position to run for re-election in 2020!
    Keep dreaming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fool View Post
    Right, Hillary by a landslide
    Polls will never live that down.

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