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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Polls will never live that down.
    They were slanted for Hillary in the primaries and about the same against Trump in the general.
    Hillary lost Michigan and Wisconsin in the primaries but the night before she was polling to win.
    Same thing in the general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fool View Post
    They were slanted for Hillary in the primaries and about the same against Trump in the general.
    Hillary lost Michigan and Wisconsin in the primaries but the night before she was polling to win.
    Same thing in the general.
    Could it be *gasp* fantasy propaganda? (Designed to trick people into what they want)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel4Truth View Post
    Could it be *gasp* fantasy propaganda? (Designed to trick people into what they want)
    That's exactly what it is but it backfired. How many Dems didn't go vote in Michigan because she was safe by five points and the state had been blue since the 80s? Trump won by .27%. That's less than a percent. If the polls had shown it was tight people might have behaved differently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Polls will never live that down.
    If Hillary had been elected President with a popular vote of 3 million ballots fewer than Trump, conservatives would have gone ballistic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    If Hillary had been elected President with a popular vote of 3 million ballots fewer than Trump, conservatives would have gone ballistic!
    Nope. We accept the Democratic process in America, we're not irrational babies
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    Nope. We accept the Democratic process in America, we're not irrational babies


    Then how does "Patrick jane" explain why Donald Trump and conservative "birthers" spent the last 8 tears trying to convince the American public that Barrack Obama wasn't born in America and therefore constitutionally diaqualified to serve as President?


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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post


    Then how does "Patrick jane" explain why Donald Trump and conservative "birthers" spent the last 8 tears trying to convince the American public that Barrack Obama wasn't born in America and therefore constitutionally diaqualified to serve as President?

    You mean the birther movement started by Clinton's campaign back when she ran against the Kenyan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    If Hillary had been elected President with a popular vote of 3 million ballots fewer than Trump, conservatives would have gone ballistic!
    Presidents are not elected in the USA by popular vote.

    God Bless America

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post

    Then how does "Patrick jane" explain why Donald Trump and conservative "birthers" spent the last 8 tears trying to convince the American public that Barrack Obama wasn't born in America and therefore constitutionally diaqualified to serve as President?
    That was a few people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fool View Post
    What is it?
    What should it be?

    When asked in another thread what kind of immigration bill kmoney would sign he replies.




    We grant Permanent Residence status to about 1,000,000 people a year. And Permanent Residents can sponsor certain other relatives for Permanent Residency.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perman...United_States)
    There's a handy chart halfway down.

    So, if we Green Card the DACAs do we tell all the other people who've been working on immigrating for a decade or more that the pattern is full because we just burned up the quota giving green cards to people who came here illegally?

    Or do we expand the quota?

    What should the quota be?

    Should it be 2 million? 3 million? We have a population of 323 million, so 3.23 million would be 1%. If you made one state out of the new arrivals it would be ranked 30th in population.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._by_population

    I'd favor blowing up the quota, but, if you reward illegals again and again then people will just keep coming illegally knowing you're bound to have another amnesty sooner or later. And putting law breakers ahead of law followers is a bad precedent.

    Congress sets the quotas, should we raise or lower them?
    A one time quota increase? I don't have an answer on a long-term increase or decrease in the quota.

    I agree that if you consistently award some type of amnesty then people will keep having an incentive to come in. But I'm not going to support uprooting people that are living peacefully here. I've been reading that Trump could make a deal on DACA as long as it's accompanied by some border control tightening and I think that's something I could support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmoney View Post
    I've been reading that Trump could make a deal on DACA as long as it's accompanied by some border control tightening and I think that's something I could support.
    Along with the majority of American voters. Trump is winning the support of millions of liberals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    You mean the birther movement started by Clinton's campaign back when she ran against the Kenyan?


    "Patrick jane" would have us believe that "The Donald" and his motley crew of "birthers" spent the last 8 years willingly serving as "the sharp end of the spear" for the Hillary Clinton campaign!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Presidents are not elected in the USA by popular vote.


    Did the Founding Fathers really intend that it should be the candidate who receives 3 million fewer votes than his opponent be rewarded with the Presidency!

    Conservatives have claimed that illegal voting was rampant in America for years - and yet they are silent when the candidate with a minority of notes by a wide margin is declared the winner!

    The net result is that 3 million citizens made an effort to vote, only to have their ballots effectively ignored - so much for every vote counts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post


    "Patrick jane" would have us believe that "The Donald" and his motley crew of "birthers" spent the last 8 years serving as "the sharp end of the spear" for the Hillary Clinton campaign!
    More like the birthers come from both sides of the aisle. And you wonder why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    The net result is that 3 million citizens made an effort to vote, only to have their ballots effectively ignored - so much for every vote counts.
    Every vote does count, just not the same amount.
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