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    "An Analysis Of Francis Schaeffer’s “The Church At The End Of The 20th Century”

    "Francis Schaeffer has been characterized as an Elijah to the late twentieth century. Though not as inspired in the same direct sense as his Biblical forebears, Francis Schaeffer did articulate a vision of the future remarkable in its accuracy and a message startling in its relevancy. Schaeffer was able to accomplish this by extrapolating from the cultural situation of the late 1960’s and early 1970’s and projecting these trends into the future where the implications of these assumptions would have the time necessary to fester over into a comprehensive dystopian milieu. Schaeffer’s “The Church At The End 20th Century”, from a standpoint a tad less than nearly a half century in the past, explored a world not unlike our own where Western society has abandoned its Judeo-Christian foundations and stands poised to lose not only its order but also its liberty as a consequence."

    Schaeffer was interested in the Counterculture of the sixties. He died in May of 1984 and the Counterculture years were mostly from 1962 until 1980. I corresponded with him briefly in 1983 when he was working on his last book, The Great Evangelical Disaster. I had found resistance to my manuscript on the Counterculture from conservative Christian book editors. Schaeffer said he understood what I was wrestling with.

    I used the writings of three social scientists on the Counterculture, Herbert Hendin. The Age of Sensation, 1975, Christopher Lasch. The Culture of Narcissism: American Life In An Age
    of Diminishing Expectations, 1978, and Daniel Yankelovich. New Rules: Searching for Self-Fulfillment In A
    World Turned Upside Down, 1981. From these authors from my my own experience with the Counterculture in Madison, Wisconsin I found a number of traits of people in the Counterculture, and grouped these traits into four general categories to describe the Counterculture. These General Traits were Selfishness,he Revolt Against Christian Morality. the Lowering of Man to His Desires, Feelings and Conditioning, and The Denial of Objective Reality. I also used scripture to characterize and criticize the Counterculture.

    The book was self-published, but was distributed by a mail order Christian outfit. At the time I wrote the book I was not aware of the role of the Frankfurt School Marxists in their helping to create the Counterculture. I did know then that Theodore W. Adorno in his 1950 book, The Authoritarian Personality had used questionnaires - the F Scale especially - to claim to measure the potential of people for following fascism and authoritarianism.

    Wikipedia at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eros_and_Civilization says "Eros and Civilization: A Philosophical Inquiry into Freud, 1955, is a book by the German philosopher and social critic Herbert Marcuse, in which the author proposes a non-repressive society and attempts a synthesis of the theories of Karl Marx and Sigmund Freud......Eros and Civilization has been compared to books such as Norman O. Brown's Life Against Death (1959). Eros and Civilization helped shape the subcultures of the 1960s."

    "The Marxist writer Paul Mattick reviewed Eros and Civilization in Western Socialist, writing that Marcuse "renews the endeavor to read Marx into Freud", following the unsuccessful attempts of Wilhelm Reich.[4] Brown, a classicist, commended the work in Life Against Death (1959), calling it "the first book, after...Reich's ill-fated adventures, to reopen the possibility of the abolition of repression."

    But wikipedia does not make it clear that Herbert Marcuse was a major member of the Frankfurt School and one of the Marxists who came to the U.S. and became highly influential university professors.

    The Frankfurt School Marxism influenced the Counterculture not only through the New Left which was allied with the Counterculture but also Herbert Marcuse of the Frankfurt School had an influence upon the Hippie and LSD drug movement, which in the sixties, was a big part of the Counterculture. The Hippies were interested in drugs, an anti-Christian attitude and sex.

    The sexual liberation movement of the sixties - in the watering holes of the Counterculture, the Haight- Ashbury, The Lower East Side and on the campuses at Madison and Ann Arbor - was a stepping stone to Transformational Marxism. Some would say that the sex lib movement was part of Transformational Marxism and that the Second Wave Feminism which got going by 1969-1970 in the Counterculture was Marxist.

    Anyway, Transformational Marxism of the Frankfurt School got going in the United States during the purple decades of the Counterculture. And Francis Schaeffer knew before he died that the Counterculture was to change the culture of the country.

    Remember - Selfishness,the Revolt Against Christian Morality. the Lowering of Man To His Desires, Feelings and Conditioning, and the Denial of Objective Reality were themes of the Counterculture in the sixties and seventies while Schaeffer was alive.
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    2 Timothy 3:13

    13while evildoers and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.

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    "Somewhere within the process there lies a switch that confuses men's minds, numbs their feelings, and freezes their responses. Aware that something is gaining control over them and not able to explain or define what it is, they are unable to develop any response that will stop the process. This trigger shuts off man's awareness of impending danger (past history or depth history; depth perception) and freezes his ability to resist the process (indecision). The numbness one experiences comes from the fear of potential alienation and loss of respect because of the inability to explain the differences between what one says he believes (black and white) and what he does or desires to do (gray zone). This produces feelings that are not based on God's Word, but that are instead based upon the fear of losing respect in the eyes of others. This kind of fear prevents one from making an immediate or effective response. This fear is not from God, "For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind." (2 Tim 1:7). "
    A lot to do with why Adam followed eve.

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    See: https://www.redstate.com/diary/FMeek...-20th-century/

    "An Analysis Of Francis Schaeffer’s “The Church At The End Of The 20th Century”

    "Francis Schaeffer has been characterized as an Elijah to the late twentieth century. Though not as inspired in the same direct sense as his Biblical forebears, Francis Schaeffer did articulate a vision of the future remarkable in its accuracy and a message startling in its relevancy. Schaeffer was able to accomplish this by extrapolating from the cultural situation of the late 1960’s and early 1970’s and projecting these trends into the future where the implications of these assumptions would have the time necessary to fester over into a comprehensive dystopian milieu. Schaeffer’s “The Church At The End 20th Century”, from a standpoint a tad less than nearly a half century in the past, explored a world not unlike our own where Western society has abandoned its Judeo-Christian foundations and stands poised to lose not only its order but also its liberty as a consequence."

    Schaeffer was interested in the Counterculture of the sixties. He died in May of 1984 and the Counterculture years were mostly from 1962 until 1980. I corresponded with him briefly in 1983 when he was working on his last book, The Great Evangelical Disaster. I had found resistance to my manuscript on the Counterculture from conservative Christian book editors. Schaeffer said he understood what I was wrestling with.

    I used the writings of three social scientists on the Counterculture, Herbert Hendin. The Age of Sensation, 1975, Christopher Lasch. The Culture of Narcissism: American Life In An Age
    of Diminishing Expectations, 1978, and Daniel Yankelovich. New Rules: Searching for Self-Fulfillment In A
    World Turned Upside Down, 1981. From these authors from my my own experience with the Counterculture in Madison, Wisconsin I found a number of traits of people in the Counterculture, and grouped these traits into four general categories to describe the Counterculture. These General Traits were Selfishness,he Revolt Against Christian Morality. the Lowering of Man to His Desires, Feelings and Conditioning, and The Denial of Objective Reality. I also used scripture to characterize and criticize the Counterculture.

    The book was self-published, but was distributed by a mail order Christian outfit. At the time I wrote the book I was not aware of the role of the Frankfurt School Marxists in their helping to create the Counterculture. I did know then that Theodore W. Adorno in his 1950 book, The Authoritarian Personality had used questionnaires - the F Scale especially - to claim to measure the potential of people for following fascism and authoritarianism.

    Wikipedia at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eros_and_Civilization says "Eros and Civilization: A Philosophical Inquiry into Freud, 1955, is a book by the German philosopher and social critic Herbert Marcuse, in which the author proposes a non-repressive society and attempts a synthesis of the theories of Karl Marx and Sigmund Freud......Eros and Civilization has been compared to books such as Norman O. Brown's Life Against Death (1959). Eros and Civilization helped shape the subcultures of the 1960s."

    "The Marxist writer Paul Mattick reviewed Eros and Civilization in Western Socialist, writing that Marcuse "renews the endeavor to read Marx into Freud", following the unsuccessful attempts of Wilhelm Reich.[4] Brown, a classicist, commended the work in Life Against Death (1959), calling it "the first book, after...Reich's ill-fated adventures, to reopen the possibility of the abolition of repression."

    But wikipedia does not make it clear that Herbert Marcuse was a major member of the Frankfurt School and one of the Marxists who came to the U.S. and became highly influential university professors.

    The Frankfurt School Marxism influenced the Counterculture not only through the New Left which was allied with the Counterculture but also Herbert Marcuse of the Frankfurt School had an influence upon the Hippie and LSD drug movement, which in the sixties, was a big part of the Counterculture. The Hippies were interested in drugs, an anti-Christian attitude and sex.

    The sexual liberation movement of the sixties - in the watering holes of the Counterculture, the Haight- Ashbury, The Lower East Side and on the campuses at Madison and Ann Arbor - was a stepping stone to Transformational Marxism. Some would say that the sex lib movement was part of Transformational Marxism and that the Second Wave Feminism which got going by 1969-1970 in the Counterculture was Marxist.

    Anyway, Transformational Marxism of the Frankfurt School got going in the United States during the purple decades of the Counterculture. And Francis Schaeffer knew before he died that the Counterculture was to change the culture of the country.

    Remember - Selfishness,the Revolt Against Christian Morality. the Lowering of Man To His Desires, Feelings and Conditioning, and the Denial of Objective Reality were themes of the Counterculture in the sixties and seventies while Schaeffer was alive.




    Have I mentioned DEGENERATE MODERNS to you? Michael Greene, Temple U. @1980. Quite a shocking piece that would never get published today. Although one friend said it was simply a Catholic trying to deal a death blow to Luther for sexual misconduct. Desire vs. truth, in the modern era.
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    Selfishness,a Revolt Against Christian Morality, the Lowering of Man To His Desires, Feelings and Conditioning, and the Denial of Objective Reality are all traits of the culture that Luke 17: 26-28 is talking about, and that Dean Gotcher ties to what he calls the dialectic mind. Remember that some have talked about a Hive Mind.

    I knew that the Dallas Theological Seminary Library had a copy of my book on the Counterculture, and I found out yesterday that so does the Main Library at the University of Wisconsin.

    But the people in what was called the New Left, which was Marxist, in the sixties and seventies on some of the campuses then were more intelligent and their leaders were much more articulate than the Marxist Left today in 2016-2017, who get their talking points from the mainstream TV, newspaper and magazine media.

    And the Left as it was in the sixties has lost its Art Bohemian, Beat Poet, and LSD Drug-Plus Far Eastern Religion influence. But that loss does not account for the loss of cognitive ability in the Left. I suspect that the Marxist Left in 2016-17 has more of a Hive Mind than the New Left in the sixties on the campus of the University of Wisconsin at Madison. And the Hive Mind is in part created in the major universities now.

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    Have you seen AGENDA; GRINDING AMERICA DOWN. by Idaho state rep Curtis? Bower. It has a 'map' of the Left you will want to navigate from Marx to Obama. It is a doc that was produced about 10 years ago.
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    The Counterculture led to what was called the Me Generation of the later 20th century, which comes out of the several influences upon the counterculture and can be seen as a fulfillment of Paul's prophecy in II Timothy 3: 1-4.

    The political Left, from Marxism, was not as important in the counterculture until the very late sixties and early seventies. I remember than in Madison, Wisconsin one of the leaders of the political left in about 1968 wrote an article in the University newspaper, The Daily Cardinal, talking about the possible merging of the Hippie movement with the political Left. And Morris Edelson, editor of a Madison little literary magazine, Quixote, opposed the arrival of what was called Women's Liberation in 1969-70.

    But Marxism did merge with the bohemianism of the earlier counterculture and led to the political correctness movement which took over the Democratic Party and played a big role in the rise of the Alternative Media and the rise of the nationalist-populist movement as a reaction against it.

    The Saul Alinsky Marxism of Obama, and Hillary to some extent, is a different form of the Left than the background for political. correctness which was the Frankfurt School's more psychologized Marxism.

    Christopher Lasch may have died before it became evident that the later Counterculture and the Me Generation, based in part on the Frankfurt School psychologized Marxism, was to play a role in the national political scene, which was to evoke an opposition by 2016. Trump was the first national figure to make political correctness an issue and to expose it.

    Dean Gotcher, for example, has connected the self psychology of Carl Rogers and A.H. Maslow, as social engineers, to the influence in America of the Frankfurt School Marxism.

    But maybe Lasch, the historian, did have some understanding of the role of the later counterculture and Frankfurt School Marxism within it to the conflict which emerged after his death, especially in the 2016 election between Hillary's Leftist ideology, and "Boss" mentality, and a new "Conservative Counterculture" and cognitively sharper opposition movement.

    For example, this new Alternative Media brings up the role of the Eugenics movement, the medical monopoly's failures, the pedophile evil within the elite, etc, all of which the more traditional political dialogue never touched. And this ignoring of these evils is part of the problem of the Christian Church today, that following I Timothy 4: 1 many in it speak "...lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron." Their conscience seared with a hot iron is a metaphor, meaning they have lost Christian morality.

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    "If you wanted to drive Christianity out of American life, how would
    you go about doing it? Suppose you could design a whole New Culture
    that you think would so weaken American Christianity that it would no
    longer be a vital force in society... (Then it would be easier to bring in Marxism, a world government that is Communist at the bottom and fascist at the top, plus a supporting collectivist culture).

    Part of your plan would be to create a kind of drouth of culture and
    spirituality in the fifties so people would soon be starving for
    culture and spirituality. Then, when the New Culture began to arrive,
    it would be very exciting and would be the "springtime of the cultural
    revolution." At first only a few thousand people would be involved in
    the New Culture, from about 1959 to 1963. But then a few years later
    it would grow to include millions of participants.

    The early excitement of the "cultural revolution" and artistic
    bohemianism of about 1959 to 1968 was like experiencing a long wanted
    rain on sun-parched and whitened ground in the Southwest. After a long
    and hard drouth, when rain does finally come, its smell on that dry
    soil is so invigorating and delightful. So, in the late fifties there
    was for a few people some promise of a cultural rain. We waited for it
    like old George West who sat up there on top of his huge pile of
    skulls from his longhorns, dead from lack of rain, looking southeast
    to the Gulf of Mexico for rain that would bring relief to his herds in
    South Texas.

    The art bohemians were the first cultural rain, and then in 1962 came
    the drug movement under psychologists Tim Leary and Richard Alpert.
    Soon we had self psychology and humanistic psychotherapy and an added
    interest in all kinds substitute religions and pseudo-spiritual
    experiencing. In 1966 the hippies came on the scene, and the feminists
    got going strong by 1970. It rained and rained liberating movements,
    all designed to free us from the restraints of pleasure and
    self-fulfillment which many thought were part of Christianity. After
    it starts to rain and the rain keeping going, it takes a while for all
    the little streams to get to the Big River and fill it to flood stage.
    By the early seventies the more negative side of all these movements
    flowed together into one New Popular Culture. But before the national
    media sold the New Culture on a mass scale there was a social
    openness, some trust, creativity, expansiveness and excitement going
    for a few thousand followers of the avant-garde then.

    By the late seventies the Big River was way above flood stage. The
    flooded Big River is the New Culture. By 1978 just about everybody was
    being swept downstream in the middle of the Big River, which is the
    late 20th century popular culture. Some people in the backwoods are
    not being swept along as fast...By the end of the seventies most
    Christians and non-Christians were just drifting along under the
    beguilement of the New Culture. If you had been the designer of all
    this, things would have seemed to be working according to plan.

    The current out there in the middle of the Big River was fearfully
    swift by 1980 and there were strong undertows that could pull you
    under. The use of hard drugs is one dangerous undertow. So is the
    drift into the occult. There are mills of people out there in the
    current of the New Culture. Like dumb cattle, people follow one another around
    swimming in circles, until they go under and may drown.

    The New Culture and its Christian versions were designed to make sure
    it would be very hard to swim against that flood current all alone.
    Only a good swimming horse will take us back upstream against that
    strong current of the New Culture - which is both outside and inside
    of American Christianity. But one does not sit up there proudly on the
    great swimming horse, which is the word of God, and ride the
    river...You throw off all the heavy gear - saddle, bridle, boots,
    spurs, ten gallon hat, six-shooter and ducking coat - and hang on to
    the horse. He will land you safe on solid Biblical ground upstream.

    Being blind, these New Culture people just follow the mill of people.
    The full effect of some of these mills was not to be fully felt until
    the children of the families that were broken in the mills and in the
    quests began to turn to crime in the late seventies. From 1972 to
    1981, violent crime rose 44 percent."

    II Timothy 3: 2-9, A Fulfilled Prophecy?
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    Have I mentioned DEGENERATE MODERNS to you? Michael Greene, Temple U. @1980. Quite a shocking piece that would never get published today. Although one friend said it was simply a Catholic trying to deal a death blow to Luther for sexual misconduct. Desire vs. truth, in the modern era.
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    The text reads as follows:

    "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

    2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters,
    proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

    3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers,
    incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

    4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

    5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from
    such turn away.

    6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive
    silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

    7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."

    "Social scientists and others have tried to describe the selfishness
    of the followers of the New Culture that emerged in the sixties. It is
    interesting that the 17 personality traits listed in II Timothy 3" 2-7
    line up fairly well with many of their descriptions. The 17 traits are
    listed below:


    l. "Lovers of their own selves." In Verse 2 the Greek word translated
    as lovers of their own selves is philautoi. Social scientists Hendin,
    Lasch and Yankelovich said that people in the New Culture show a great
    deal of self-peoccupation. They also place much importance on
    attaining self-esteem.


    Herbert Hendin. The Age of Sensation, 1975.


    Christopher Lasch. The Culture of Narcissism: American Life In An Age
    of Diminishing Expectations, 1978.


    Daniel Yankelovich. New Rules: Searching for Self-Fulfillment In A
    World Turned Upside Down, 1981.


    2. "Covetous." The three social scientists did not list this trait
    for those in the New Culture, but many in that culture are covetous
    and money loving.


    3. "boasters, proud." In verse 2 alazones, or boasters, and
    huperephanoi, or proud, both appear. Then in verse 4 we find
    tetuphomenoi appears, meaning puffed up. These words suggest an
    emphasis on mere appearance, on appearing to be better than others and
    the desire to win out over others. "Lasch, the historian, described
    people in the New Culture as worshipping image, and of being obsessed
    with "mere packaging of people. Lash also identified the second trait
    of pride. This can be stated as the goal of wanting to win over others
    in games of social power disguised as love, friendship or business."


    4. "Blasphemers." This can mean speaking evil of others or of
    God."None of the descriptions of people in the New Culture by the
    three social scientists are explicit in noting this trait. But the
    tendency to verbally abuse others is common in the New Culture." The
    meaning of the Greek word "blaphemoi" which includes blasphemy against
    God, is hidden by its translation as "reproachful" in the Moffatt
    Translation.


    5. "Disobedient To Parents." Being disobedient to parents was
    certainly a trait of the rebellious young people of thje Me Generation
    of the sixties.


    6. "Unthankful." Or ungrateful. Again, although the three social
    scientists seem to miss this trait in the Me Generation, it is
    present. They were too obsessed with self to be thankful to parents
    and others.


    7. "Unholy." Being unholy toward the God of the Bible is an essential
    trait in the counterculture people, though those who became caught up
    in the New Age Occult Movement which more fully on the scene in he
    early and mid seventies might be seen as having a "holy" attitude
    toward their occult channeling or mystical experiencing or toward Far
    Eastern religions.


    8. "Without natural affection." Psychiatrist Herbert Hendin found hat
    many of the college students he studied of the early seventies showed
    a lack of affection to close relatives, lovers and friends.


    9. "Trucebreakers." Perhaps "irreconcilable." This trait could
    describe people who are not willing to forgive others and to put a
    stop of interpersonal strife. A trait in the New Culture people
    identified by Lasch and Hendin comes close to this trait - they found
    that New Culture people have a war-like approach to life.


    10. "False Accusers." "Slanderers." The Greek word here in verse 3 is
    "diaboloi," or diabolos , from 1225, to traduce, accuse, Satan, false
    accuser, devil, slanderer. The Moffatt translation "slanderers" misses
    important strands of the meaning of the Greek "diaboloi." Webster's
    New Collegiate Dictionary says "slander" means "a false report,
    tending to injure the reputation of another." More generally, many New
    Culture people are liars because they have lost Christian and common
    morality. Many of these people may also make false accusations about
    others.


    11. "Incontinent." This characteristic, the lack of self-discipline,
    corresponds exactly to a trait of New Culture followers found by
    Lasch. The Me People lack the self-control of the many in the older
    generations.


    12. Fierce." Uncivilized, barbarian or beastly might be which is
    being described here. This trait also describes many in the New
    Culture,


    13. "Despisers of Those That Are Good." Lawlessness and rebellion
    against people who follow an older decency might be what is involved
    in "aphagathoi," not lovers of good." Many New Culture people despise
    Christian morality and try to see how much lawlessness they can get by
    with.


    14. "Traitors." Or "those who betray others." Me People can become
    nasty toward others when they don't get their way, their self-esteem,
    they think is threatened, and others are not fulfilling their "needs."


    15. "Headlong." Rash behavior can be acting in a too-hasty, reckless
    way toward others without consideration of how that action will affect
    others. Lack of self control, found by Lasch in New Culture people
    hits this general trait. In addition, the emphasis on
    self-assertiveness in the self psychology and women's liberation
    movements contributed to rash behavior.


    16. "Lovers of Pleasure Rather Than Lovers of God." Hendin found that
    his college student subjects of the early seventies sought after
    momentary physical sensations of pleasure in sex, touch, taste, taking
    drugs, more than in long term fulfillments.


    17. "Having A Form of Godliness, But Denying the Power Thereof." This
    trait describes many Christians under the spell of the New Culture.


    The Personality Traits, Assumptions and Goals of the New Culture.


    I found four major strands of rebellion
    against an older culture which retained influences from
    Protestant Christianity. These are:


    l. An Increase in Selfishness and Self-Preoccupation.


    2. The Revolt Against Christianity, Especially Opposing Christian Morality


    3. The Reduction of the Human To Desire, Feeling and Conditioning.


    4. The Denial of Objective Reality. The New Culture not only allows
    for the telling of lies in certain circumstances. As a culture, it
    also teaches that there may be no agreed upon reality outside your
    individual mind against which your statements can be checked to see if
    you are telling lies or not. In the drug movement the idea that one
    creates his own reality was taught by Tim Leary, Ken Kesey, Richard
    Alpert and other leaders.


    Starting in about 1962 with the drug movement and going on through
    the sixties and the arrival of the New Age Occult movement in the
    early seventies, this New Culture taught many people to focus upon dreams,
    fantasy, the occult and
    especially on experiencing during LSD trips. All this emphasis moved
    reality toward the subjective.


    The drug movement taught a few thousand and later millions that you
    can create your own reality in your mind. Truth is found in subjective
    mystical experience, not in interpreting Scripture.


    The create your own subjective reality idea was also taught in
    psychology. Psychologist Randie L. Timpe says "Our constructions of
    human nature and God are based on a philosophy of constructive
    alternativism (Kelly, 1955) where the individual is free to formulate
    new and alternative explanations."


    Self psychologists Carl Rogers and A.H. Maslow said that the
    expression of feelings and fulfillment of desires and "needs" come
    first. They ignored intelligence and cognitive abilities, contributing
    to the bent in the New Culture to reduce the person to his or her
    feelings, desires and conditioning. Emphasis upon feelings rather than
    cognitive clarity also made it much easier to see the idea that we
    create our own reality, that we are free to construct our own
    subjective view of external reality.

    My Counterculture book discusses the contribution to the New Culture of
    Self Psychology, the Art Bohemians, TV and Other Media, the Hippies,
    the Feminists. the Drug Movement, and Sex Liberation Movement. The sex liberation movement
    cashed in on the Counterculture's teaching that the fulfillment of the self, as its desires, feelings and conditioning, which is mostly in the mid brain or limbic system, is most important. But - as the young women in the sex lib movement began to exercise their new freedom to have sex using birth control pills many of them would change boyfriends every few months of so. In this way the sex lib movement went totally against the Biblical teaching against divorce, or leaving your spouse for another (Matthew 19: 5-6. I Corinthians 7: 3-4, 10-11). What is called divorce or wife and husband in I Corinthians 7 applies to unmarried couples also.


    Self Psychology led the New Culture people into several aspects of
    Selfishness. Self Psychology said that New Culture people serve
    themselves but do not serve others, and they have a right to be served
    by others. Self psychology taught the people the Assumption that the
    self is "real" when one serves himself but not when he serves others. The
    Goals that Self Psychology taught are that the person should have more
    self-esteem, and more self love, that the person should fulfill as
    many "needs" or psychological desires as possible, all at once, and
    because the self is a collection of "needs," one must fulfill many
    needs to be a winner in the culture.


    TV and other mainstream media taught that one should be obsessed with
    image, with one's appearance, and that appearance is reality. And the
    Art Bohemians taught the New Culture that creativity is reduced to
    novelty and shock value of art and action, which creates visibility
    and image success.


    For the second major strand of rebellion - The Revolt Against
    Christian Morality - the Hippies showed that they wanted to demonstrate
    as much lawlessness as they might get by with. After the Hippies and
    the counterculture had been around a few years in the major centers
    like San Francisco, the Near East Side in NY, Ann Arbor, and Madison,
    crime rates rose in those Hippie communities. The art bohemians said,
    in effect, that morals are not given by God and morality is not
    absolute. Self psychology taught the assumption that a person need not
    make moral judgments about his behavior, and that morals are not
    objective and shared. Self psychology taught that man is basically
    benign without a sin nature. The art bohemians, hippies, those in the
    drug movement and self psychologists all agreed that Christian
    morality restricts freedom and should be done away with. The feminists
    said the person must be independent of Christianity and the family.


    Under the third major strand of rebellion - the Lowering of Man to His
    Desires, Feelings and Conditioning - self psychology taught the Me
    People to have a lack of self control, that expression of feelings is
    all important and knowing is not as important. Self psychology said
    the fulfillment of "needs" is most important. The sex liberation
    movement said the goal is to have freedom to have sex outside of
    marriage. The feminists and behavior therapy from B.F. Skinner said
    the lower animal functions of reward and punishment define human
    behavior.


    Within the fourth strand of rebellion - the Denial of Objective
    Reality - the drug movement promoted the assumption that there is no
    shared, objective reality. Self psychology taught that people make up
    their own perceptions of others, themselves and the world around them,
    and are free to create alternative constructions of "reality." Reality
    is subjective and in the individual mind only. Self psychology also
    claimed that expression of feelings is "authentic," but expression of
    knowing is not "authentic."

    The personality traits listed in II Timothy 3: 1-9 can be seen to describe people in a culture in which Christian regeneration, and morality have been opposed, in which selfishness and self-reoccupation have been encouraged, in which a revolt against Christian regeneration by having the mind of Christ in you has been over-thrown and the desires of the flesh, of feeling and conditioning are allowed to dominate, and a last change in which a belief in a shared and objective reality outside the human self is denied so that the dialectic mind can now operate in society. Interestingly, as the list of personality traits progress in II Timothy 3: 1-9 it becomes clear that Paul is also talking about the traits of people in the ekklesia.

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    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

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    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

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