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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    But you pretend that not of works means only ceremonial works. That's wrong
    It is the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Who is enabling unbelievers to do those things?
    They have freewill to obey or not to obey.

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    I did go back and look....nothing there about Jesus' words.
    Think again, it is all about Jesus.

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    Even unbelievers have the ability to follow their conscience. Those who don't "obey" their bosses will be looking for another job. What does that have to do with anything?
    Did you lose focus? I am explaining how we have freewill to believe and obey Jesus or not.

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    I did. He told me to believe in Him....that's the obedience of faith I'm always talking about. Scripture tells me eternal life is a Gift. Trying to work for eternal life is a false "gospel". There is no good news in that gospel.
    Jesus tells us more than to just believe. The work Jesus tells us to do is light, easy, and not burdensome. Why do you make it as if it is not?
    I love obeying Jesus. There is nothing I would rather do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Yeah, especially since the Gentiles are saved without any kind of works.

    Romans 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
    That is proof that it is about the ceremonial works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    That is proof that it is about the ceremonial works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    I didn't say you said "we don't have to have faith". You know I didn't say that. I didn't say we have to ask God to forgive us. We don't.
    God disciplines us so that we do repent.

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    We trust and believe he died for our sins....case closed. He did it and we believe it.
    There are MANY people who believe that, but they do not obey, and they live their lives as always.

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    Abraham was saved BEFORE he ever had a son. He was saved when he believed God.
    Before Abraham ever had a son, God told him where to go---and he obeyed and went.

    Hebrews 11:8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going.

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    Romans 4:21-22 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

    That Rahab and Abraham both demonstrated their faith by what they did, does NOT mean those actions saved them or kept them saved.
    The scriptures say it did.

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    If I believe it's raining outside, I will grab my umbrella. I could just as easily go out without my umbrella and end up getting wet. You can't confuse what God has ordained and what He performs in us with something as significant as God's GIFT of LIFE. We get life when we believe...what comes after has nothing to do with our being ALIVE in Christ Jesus.
    God doesn't tell us to get umbrellas when it rains. Jesus' words are Spirit and life. No one gets that life without obeying his perfect words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post


    Jesus tells us more than to just believe. The work Jesus tells us to do is light, easy, and not burdensome. Why do you make it as if it is not?
    I love obeying Jesus. There is nothing I would rather do.
    Then why do you claim we HAVE to do it in order to be saved or stay saved?

    Something you HAVE to do is not something you do willingly because you enjoy doing it.

    Philemon 1:14 But without thy mind would I do nothing; that thy benefit should not be as it were of necessity, but willingly.

    1 Peter 5:2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;

    Necessity and constraint are of the Law.....willingly is of Grace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    That scripture is proof it is about the ceremonial works.

    Romans 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.


    Look how many times Paul speaks of the ceremonial work CIRCUMCISION, in Romans alone.


    Romans 2:25Circumcision has value if you observe the law, but if you break the law, you have become as though you had not been circumcised.

    Romans 2:27 The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.

    Romans 2:28 A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical.

    Romans 2:29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.

    Romans 3:1 [ God’s Faithfulness ] What advantage, then, is there in being a Jew, or what value is there in circumcision?

    Romans 4:11 And he received circumcision as a sign, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. So then, he is the father of all who believe but have not been circumcised, in order that righteousness might be credited to them.


    Nowhere anywhere does Paul say not of obeying. He is saying not of circumcision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Then why do you claim we HAVE to do it in order to be saved or stay saved?

    Something you HAVE to do is not something you do willingly because you enjoy doing it.

    Philemon 1:14 But without thy mind would I do nothing; that thy benefit should not be as it were of necessity, but willingly.

    1 Peter 5:2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;

    Necessity and constraint are of the Law.....willingly is of Grace.
    We have to obey willingly. Who said anything about it not being willingly?

    One has to obey if they want to be saved. I want someone to try it and see the power in it.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    We have to obey willingly.
    That's an oxymoron. If you HAVE to do something, it's not willingly done.

    Who said anything about it not being willingly?

    One has to obey if they want to be saved.
    Then salvation is not a Gift, but of yourself. Which is absolutely contrary to Scripture.

    I want someone to try it and see the power in it.
    I'd like you to see the power of God when He does what you can never dream of doing.

    I'd like to see you giving God the glory instead of seeking praise for what you claim to be doing.

    You can't see your own hubris and pride in that statement? You think you are so high above others here, that you alone have reached such heights of glory? That is sad....very sad.

    Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    We have to obey willingly. Who said anything about it not being willingly?

    One has to obey if they want to be saved. I want someone to try it and see the power in it.
    If you obey then you are without sin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    If you obey then you are without sin.

    1 John 1:8 KJV -

    All that God demands for the salvation of fallen man has been fulfilled in Jesus Christ. So that we can be COMPLETE in him, Colossians 2:10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    If you obey then you are without sin.

    1 John 1:8 KJV -
    Read that scripture more carefully. That scripture is about the truth not being in the one that says they have no sin. That is about being saved in the first place. See, we must admit to being sinners in order to be saved. If you say you have no sin, then you can't be saved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    That's an oxymoron. If you HAVE to do something, it's not willingly done.
    That is absolutely not true.

    If you want to do anything in life you have to be willing.

    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Then salvation is not a Gift, but of yourself. Which is absolutely contrary to Scripture.
    Salvation is a GIFT TO THOSE WHOM JESUS wants to give the gift.

    Jesus wants to give the gift to those he wants to give the gift, and it is to those who OBEY.

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    I'd like you to see the power of God when He does what you can never dream of doing.
    I have a powerful testimony.

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    I'd like to see you giving God the glory instead of seeking praise for what you claim to be doing.
    I received from God what I did because I loved all his words, not just 'believe'.

    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    You can't see your own hubris and pride in that statement? You think you are so high above others here, that you alone have reached such heights of glory? That is sad....very sad.
    It is never ever shameful to do what Jesus says. It is never ever prideful to show someone else how to receive. Isn't that why Cain hated Abel and killed him?

    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
    Satan didn't humble himself and obey God. I humble myself and obey.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    All that God demands for the salvation of fallen man has been fulfilled in Jesus Christ. So that we can be COMPLETE in him, Colossians 2:10.
    Huh, false teaching, Col 2:10 says nothing of that !
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
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    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    That's an oxymoron. If you HAVE to do something, it's not willingly done.



    Then salvation is not a Gift, but of yourself. Which is absolutely contrary to Scripture.



    I'd like you to see the power of God when He does what you can never dream of doing.

    I'd like to see you giving God the glory instead of seeking praise for what you claim to be doing.

    You can't see your own hubris and pride in that statement? You think you are so high above others here, that you alone have reached such heights of glory? That is sad....very sad.
    Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
    Both of you believe in Salvation by what the sinner does. Dont you teach that sinners Christ died for are still lost and condemned until they do something ? Yes or No ?
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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