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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Jesus' words are Spirit and life.
    You weren't speaking Jesus' words. You were talking about alarm clocks.


    We have to do it for Jesus.
    Really? Jesus needs you to get up and go to work in the morning?


    If you don't, will you lose your salvation, or will you just go hungry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    That is for the obedient.



    Again, it is to those who believe and obey him.
    Nope, it is for those who have accessed the Grace of God through Faith.

    Oops, that's the obedience of faith I keep telling you about.


    So when I fail in some regard, I am chastened or allowed to suffer the natural consequences of my actions, and, miracle of miracle, God uses my failures to build patience and endurance in me. That is how we grow and mature in the Lord (experience). We trust HIM, and HIM alone, to do His work in us. We are God's workmanship. A lack of trust leaves us with nothing but SELF-EFFORT.

    Romans 5:2-4
    2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; 4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Circumcision was given BEFORE the "old law".
    Circumcision is the sign and seal before the law with Abraham, and then for all those who enter the covenant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    There is nothing in the Bible that says you must confess and repent to be saved.

    Your whole problem is that you don't believe that Jesus saves and that he saves to the uttermost, Hebrews 7:25.

    You feel that you have to add your two cents or you won't be saved. Jesus doesn't need your help to save you.
    Jesus saves us all on his own and he chooses whom he saves. He saves those who believe and obey.

    Even Paul taught to repent.

    Go find the scriptures and then stop yourself from trying to nullify them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    Where do you get that faith alone means no circumcision and ceremonial works? Scripture please.
    The people used to have to clean themselves by doing the ceremonial works.

    Since Jesus shed his blood on the cross, all people only have to do to get clean is to have faith that HIS BLOOD cleans us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    You weren't speaking Jesus' words. You were talking about alarm clocks.




    Really? Jesus needs you to get up and go to work in the morning?


    If you don't, will you lose your salvation, or will you just go hungry?
    I sure was talking about Jesus' words. Go back and look again.

    I brought up how we all have the ability to do right and wrong, to obey, to obey our own bodies, to obey our parents, our teacher, our boss. So why can't you obey Jesus?
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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Jesus saves us all on his own and he chooses whom he saves. He saves those who believe and obey.

    Even Paul taught to repent.

    Go find the scriptures and then stop yourself from trying to nullify them.
    There is no scripture that says Jesus chooses whom he will save. The reason for that is because Jesus has ALREADY atoned for the sins of the whole world so that, "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13

    You have like 0 knowledge of the Gospel and justification by faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Nope, it is for those who have accessed the Grace of God through Faith.

    Oops, that's the obedience of faith I keep telling you about.
    The only time faith alone is mentioned is in the KJV and it is to warn us of what kind of faith not to have.

    Did the prostitute Rahab just have to believe, or did she have to tell the spies a different direction?

    Did Abraham just have to believe or did he have to actually take Isaac with him and put him on the altar?
    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    So when I fail in some regard, I am chastened or allowed to suffer the natural consequences of my actions, and, miracle of miracle, God uses my failures to build patience and endurance in me. That is how we grow and mature in the Lord (experience). We trust HIM, and HIM alone, to do His work in us. We are God's workmanship. A lack of trust leaves us with nothing but SELF-EFFORT.
    What you say there proves you have to obey. Even asking God to forgive you is obeying.
    Where do you ever get that I say we don't have to have faith?
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    There is no scripture that says Jesus chooses whom he will save. The reason for that is because Jesus has ALREADY atoned for the sins of the whole world so that, "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13

    You have like 0 knowledge of the Gospel and justification by faith.
    Do you really not know Jesus chooses whom he saves?
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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Do you really not know Jesus chooses whom he saves?
    What are you now a Calvinist? God and Jesus do not make people come to them. If you want to be saved you will have to call on Christ to save you, Romans 10:13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    The people used to have to clean themselves by doing the ceremonial works.

    Since Jesus shed his blood on the cross, all people only have to do to get clean is to have faith that HIS BLOOD cleans us.
    But you pretend that not of works means only ceremonial works. That's wrong
    1 Corinthians 15:1-2 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV -


    Colossians 1:13-14 KJV - Colossians 1:15-16 KJV - Colossians 1:17-18 KJV -

    Colossians 1:19-20 KJV - Colossians 1:21-22 KJV - Colossians 1:23 KJV -

    Colossians 1:25-26 KJV 27, 28, 29 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Ephesians 1:12-13, 14 -



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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You have been given much and have a brain to obey or disobey. Now answer the questions I ask. Who gave you the special enabling to get up this morning? Who gave you the enabling to come to dinner and eat with your family? Who gave you the enabling to be a school by 8? Who gave you the enabling to do all the things you make up your own mind to do every day?
    Who is enabling unbelievers to do those things?



    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Jesus' words are Spirit and life.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    I sure was talking about Jesus' words. Go back and look again.
    I did go back and look....nothing there about Jesus' words.

    I brought up how we all have the ability to do right and wrong, to obey, to obey our own bodies, to obey our parents, our teacher, our boss.
    Even unbelievers have the ability to follow their conscience. Those who don't "obey" their bosses will be looking for another job. What does that have to do with anything?

    So why can't you obey Jesus?
    I did. He told me to believe in Him....that's the obedience of faith I'm always talking about. Scripture tells me eternal life is a Gift. Trying to work for eternal life is a false "gospel". There is no good news in that gospel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    But you pretend that not of works means only ceremonial works. That's wrong
    Yeah, especially since the Gentiles are saved without any kind of works.

    Romans 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    The only time faith alone is mentioned is in the KJV and it is to warn us of what kind of faith not to have.

    Did the prostitute Rahab just have to believe, or did she have to tell the spies a different direction?

    Did Abraham just have to believe or did he have to actually take Isaac with him and put him on the altar?


    What you say there proves you have to obey. Even asking God to forgive you is obeying.
    Where do you ever get that I say we don't have to have faith?
    I didn't say you said "we don't have to have faith". You know I didn't say that. I didn't say we have to ask God to forgive us. We don't. We trust and believe he died for our sins....case closed. He did it and we believe it.

    Abraham was saved BEFORE he ever had a son. He was saved when he believed God.

    Romans 4:21-22 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

    That Rahab and Abraham both demonstrated their faith by what they did, does NOT mean those actions saved them or kept them saved. If I believe it's raining outside, I will grab my umbrella. I could just as easily go out without my umbrella and end up getting wet. You can't confuse what God has ordained and what He performs in us with something as significant as God's GIFT of LIFE. We get life when we believe...what comes after has nothing to do with our being ALIVE in Christ Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    What are you now a Calvinist? God and Jesus do not make people come to them. If you want to be saved you will have to call on Christ to save you, Romans 10:13.
    Where did I say Jesus makes people come to them? You are so steeped in falseness you do not even hear right at all. Show were I said Jesus makes us.

    Jesus chooses whom he saves and he saves he saves those who do right and obey him.


    Acts 10:35 but that in every nation those who fear Him and live good lives are acceptable to Him.

    Acts 5:32 We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him."


    John 14:23 Jesus replied, "Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.

    John 14:21 The person who has my commandments and obeys them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will reveal myself to him."

    Acts 13:26 "Fellow children of Abraham and you God-fearing Gentiles, it is to us that this message of salvation has been sent.

    You can't get around those powerful words.
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