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    Quote Originally Posted by ZacharyB View Post
    Many OT references to God are referring to the Word
    who will later come to earth to become flesh and
    be called Jesus, the Son of God, the Son of the Highest, etc.
    (Matt 1 and Luke 1).
    Okay... I'm going to disengage you... as we disagree on some matters, but you "KNOW" "WHO" "HE" "IS".

    Quote Originally Posted by ZacharyB View Post
    Ephesians 2:8 only refers to the time of receiving the Holy Spirit within.
    Salvation must be a process, which ends at death (or when raptured).
    It must be a process because of what many NT verses teach us.
    The red is where you and I are diametrically opposed.

    Let's look at a few verses and see what they say... though...

    Acts 16:31 ... And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

    Again...

    Ephesians 2:8 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

    How much does a "gift" cost you? Do you give gifts and then ask to be paid for them... with daily payments... once the receiver... "RECEIVES"?

    And again...

    Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    So... God had to PURCHASE "YOUR GIFT". Can you now take over the "PAYMENTS"?
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    (1 John 2:27; Rm. 8:9; Php. 1:19; Mt. 23:8)

    Salvation is Free (Eph. 2:8f) !!! It depends on his strength, not mine!!! (2 Co. 12:9)

    Stupid things Tet says...

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    The old heavens and old earth was the law and the Old Covenant.

    The new heavens and new earth is the New Covenant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZacharyB View Post
    RE: repenting of a particular sin
    1 • have sorrow over doing it
    2 • confess it before the Lord
    3 • ask the Lord for forgiveness
    4 • stop doing it
    This what the Lord requires of you.
    ZacharyB... Are you capable of "NOT SINNING"? Have you had a "PERFECT" day in your life? You are treading on dangerous ground.

    The sin of the world is "UNBELIEF"... Do you really think your "FLESH" (John 6:63) will ever profit you... even in "co-operation"?

    Gifts... "REQUIRE" something now... besides "RECEIVING" with a "GLAD HEART"?
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    Salvation is Free (Eph. 2:8f) !!! It depends on his strength, not mine!!! (2 Co. 12:9)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetelestai View Post
    The old heavens and old earth was the law and the Old Covenant.

    The new heavens and new earth is the New Covenant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marhig View Post
    We can't do what Jesus did as he was sinless,
    This must be the Right side of your mouth...

    Quote Originally Posted by marhig View Post
    but we can overcome our flesh though Christ Jesus by the power of the Spirit, through faith by the grace of God. Jesus overcame the world and he can help us and strengthen us to do the same.
    This must be the Left side of your mouth.....

    Quote Originally Posted by marhig View Post
    Revelation 3

    To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
    So... You are now quoting a verse that shows the Father and Son are ONE...

    Revelation 4:2 At once I was in the Spirit, and behold, a throne stood in heaven, with one seated on the throne.

    Quote Originally Posted by marhig View Post
    And no, Jesus isn't God.
    Thank you for discrediting your "False Witness" to @ZacharyB

    Which side of your mouth should I listen to?
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    There is only one Commentary!
    (1 John 2:27; Rm. 8:9; Php. 1:19; Mt. 23:8)

    Salvation is Free (Eph. 2:8f) !!! It depends on his strength, not mine!!! (2 Co. 12:9)

    Stupid things Tet says...

    Quote Originally Posted by tetelestai View Post
    The old heavens and old earth was the law and the Old Covenant.

    The new heavens and new earth is the New Covenant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil.Eye. View Post
    This must be the Right side of your mouth...



    This must be the Left side of your mouth.....



    So... You are now quoting a verse that shows the Father and Son are ONE...

    Revelation 4:2 At once I was in the Spirit, and behold, a throne stood in heaven, with one seated on the throne.



    Thank you for discrediting your "False Witness" to @ZacheryB

    Which side of your mouth should I listen to?
    Of course we have to overcome, what do you think Jesus is our perfect example for? Because we have to live it out, to follow Jesus is to walk the walk not just talk the talk. We can never go as far as Jesus because he didn't sin, but we are sinners, but by the grace of God through Christ by the power of the Spirit, we can overcome our flesh and God will strengthen us to turn from sin. We have a choice every day obey God as he shows us our sin through the Spirit and live by God's will, and as we turn from sin he will strengthen us, or put ourselves and our flesh first and let satan in because we lust after the flesh. God will only keep us sealed by the Spirit if we remain in his goodness, if we put our flesh before him, he will turn us over to our reprobate mind.

    The verse that I quoted in no way shows that Jesus is God, in fact it clearly shows that Jesus isn't God but that he is set in his father's throne and we can be set in his throne IF we overcome as he also overcame, but we can only overcome through him, without christ and the power of the Spirit, we have no hope of overcoming at all.

    Christ Jesus is set at the right hand of God, exalted by God and given authority from God. So he's not God! And as Jesus and the apostles clearly say, God is the God and father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

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    Nope...

    Quote Originally Posted by marhig View Post
    Of course we have to overcome, what do you think Jesus is our perfect example for? Because we have to live it out, to follow Jesus is to walk the walk not just talk the talk. We can never go as far as Jesus because he didn't sin, but we are sinners, but by the grace of God through Christ by the power of the Spirit, we can overcome our flesh and God will strengthen us to turn from sin. We have a choice every day obey God as he shows us our sin through the Spirit and live by God's will, and as we turn from sin he will strengthen us, or put ourselves and our flesh first and let satan in because we lust after the flesh. God will only keep us sealed by the Spirit if we remain in his goodness, if we put our flesh before him, he will turn us over to our reprobate mind.

    The verse that I quoted in no way shows that Jesus is God, in fact it clearly shows that Jesus isn't God but that he is set in his father's throne and we can be set in his throne IF we overcome as he also overcame, but we can only overcome through him, without christ and the power of the Spirit, we have no hope of overcoming at all.

    Christ Jesus is set at the right hand of God, exalted by God and given authority from God. So he's not God! And as Jesus and the apostles clearly say, God is the God and father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
    God answers to God. He's that awesome! Who does God discuss things with when He needs to talk to His EQUAL? God!

    If I own a company... I'm my own BOSS.



    And you think you can "Overcome"? You don't believe HE "Finished" it for you? You think that gift comes with installment plan payments?



    Well Marhig...??? What does Hebrews 2:14 mean to you? Can you defeat an arch angel? Are you "co-savior" with Jesus?

    # Ridiculous!!!!

    Spoiler
    And the people bowed and prayed... TO THE NEON GOD THEY'd Made.... ... Oh and the mixed in track in the background is from a song called... "I love the way you lie... "
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    in some ways. mainstream churches may play into social status, I have went past that to being saved in Christ,

    I belive OSAS is true but incompatible with OV, which is why I am MAD, but not really OV
    Quote Originally Posted by marhig View Post
    Christian theology isn't to be in Christ.


    So, what?

    believe it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil.Eye.<(I)> View Post
    So... God had to PURCHASE "YOUR GIFT". Can you now take over the "PAYMENTS"?
    After I give my son the gift of a car ...
    I take it back, IF he misuses it (dangerously or whatever).
    "Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey,
    you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether
    (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, OR
    (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?" (Romans 6:16)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil.Eye.<(I)> View Post
    ZacharyB... Are you capable of "NOT SINNING"? Have you had a "PERFECT" day in your life?
    You obviously have NO idea what repentance is all about.
    "Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey,
    you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether
    (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, OR
    (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?" (Romans 6:16)

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    Since creation, God has always insisted on man’s co-operation.
    Jesus will make you holy (i.e. He will fully sanctify you),
    but only IF you co-operate with the precious Holy Spirit
    via your God-given free-will.
    "Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey,
    you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether
    (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, OR
    (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?" (Romans 6:16)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil.Eye. View Post
    God answers to God. He's that awesome! Who does God discuss things with when He needs to talk to His EQUAL? God!

    If I own a company... I'm my own BOSS.



    And you think you can "Overcome"? You don't believe HE Finished it for you? You think that gift comes with installment plan payments?



    Well Marhig...??? What does Hebrews 2:14 mean to you? Can you defeat an arch angel? Are you "co-savior" with Jesus?

    # Ridiculous!!!!

    Spoiler
    And the people bowed and prayed... TO THE NEON GOD THEY'd Made.... ... Oh and the mixed in track in the background is from a song called... "I love the way you lie... "
    No God doesn't answer to God, Jesus Christ answers to his God, the Son answers to the father and is under subjection to him and the father is his God and he anointed Jesus and exalted him, and the head of Christ is God. Jesus did his fathers will and not his own will, and the father sent him, he didn't send himself but he willingly came to bare witness to the truth and save as many as would believe on him and believe in the gospel and truly repent.

    Jesus clearly says in revelation, "to him that overcomes," so yes I believe that we are to overcome, we are to be willing to lay down our lives for others, and live by the will of God and through faith and by God's grace by the power of the Spirit, we can overcome the world and flesh through Christ Jesus.

    And this is Jesus, praying to the father, saying that the father is the only true God, and that life eternal is to know the father, the only true God. and that he sent Christ Jesus, so why shouldn't I believe him?

    John 17:3 kjv

    And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

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    World-famous evangelist/missionary T. L. Osborne found it
    necessary to research the NT word “believe”, and he came to
    the conclusion that it means “to believe, trust in, and obey”.
    To reconcile the NT word “believe” with the rest of the NT,
    it is ridiculous to think that it does not include obedience.
    (Not only that, but it must mean until the end of one’s life!)
    "Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey,
    you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether
    (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, OR
    (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?" (Romans 6:16)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZacharyB View Post
    You obviously have NO idea what repentance is all about.
    OIC...

    So... God saved us from our debt incurred by condemnation of the law... (ministry of death)... by paying our wages of "missing the mark" of the law... (Jesus Christ)... so we could then go on and be held... again... to the Law?

    Do tell...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZacharyB View Post
    After I give my son the gift of a car ...
    I take it back, IF he misuses it (dangerously or whatever).
    Then it really wasn't a gift.. but a "loan". Loans must be paid back and can be demanded back.

    So actually... salvation is a "loan"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZacharyB View Post
    World-famous evangelist/missionary T. L. Osborne found it
    necessary to research the NT word “believe”, and he came to
    the conclusion that it means “to believe, trust in, and obey”.
    To reconcile the NT word “believe” with the rest of the NT,
    it is ridiculous to think that it does not include obedience.
    (Not only that, but it must mean until the end of one’s life!)
    Heaven famous ... Jesus Christ said ... John 6:63 and John 6:29 ...

    That's pretty simple and clear.

    Is there anything else you would like to "redefine" for Jesus?

    Again... do you "sin no more"?

    Not as in... "oops... this time I really mean I'm sorry God... and won't screw up again...."...

    But are you sinnless in the flesh yet and what happens if you die before you are? Does God reward your "effort"?

    Romans 4:4
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    There is only one Commentary!
    (1 John 2:27; Rm. 8:9; Php. 1:19; Mt. 23:8)

    Salvation is Free (Eph. 2:8f) !!! It depends on his strength, not mine!!! (2 Co. 12:9)

    Stupid things Tet says...

    Quote Originally Posted by tetelestai View Post
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    The new heavens and new earth is the New Covenant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marhig View Post
    No God doesn't answer to God, Jesus Christ answers to his God, the Son answers to the father and is under subjection to him and the father is his God and he anointed Jesus and exalted him, and the head of Christ is God. Jesus did his fathers will and not his own will, and the father sent him, he didn't send himself but he willingly came to bare witness to the truth and save as many as would believe on him and believe in the gospel and truly repent.

    Jesus clearly says in revelation, "to him that overcomes," so yes I believe that we are to overcome, we are to be willing to lay down our lives for others, and live by the will of God and through faith and by God's grace by the power of the Spirit, we can overcome the world and flesh through Christ Jesus.

    And this is Jesus, praying to the father, saying that the father is the only true God, and that life eternal is to know the father, the only true God. and that he sent Christ Jesus, so why shouldn't I believe him?

    John 17:3 kjv

    And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
    1. You deny Jesus is God and thus that God came in the flesh.

    2. You are dishonest and talk out of all sides of your mouth

    3. If you don't know Jesus is God... I ..a simple, forgiven sinner... have no hope of reaching your heart and the error of your words.
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    (1 John 2:27; Rm. 8:9; Php. 1:19; Mt. 23:8)

    Salvation is Free (Eph. 2:8f) !!! It depends on his strength, not mine!!! (2 Co. 12:9)

    Stupid things Tet says...

    Quote Originally Posted by tetelestai View Post
    The old heavens and old earth was the law and the Old Covenant.

    The new heavens and new earth is the New Covenant.

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