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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    No, but both are the apostle's teaching. Peter and Paul are deeply unified, as I've shown. I know, you need to find divisions and fractures, so here you go on that. The 'apostle's teaching' was given in the 40 day seminar. And the same one Lord and Christ taught Paul the same deeply unified things later. I don't know the name of your other guy who invents two peoples, gospels, outcomes, heavens, place of worship, etc. every day.
    Your explanations are confused by your FALSE premise that absence is cancellation.

    Until you FIX your FALSE ideas, you'll never understand what is actually being taught in the scripture.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

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    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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    Not really. There is another use of 'seal up vision and prophecy' in Daniel, and in context, it means the end of it. It is not out of the question as far as Messiah's accomplishments in Dan 9. That He concluded it, completed it.
    It figures that you would back up some crazy ideas.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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    And the gaming kind of dialectic goes on and on here on TOL. How would the TOL dispensationalists start to get out of the gaming dialectic? By learning that an honest argument or debate depends upon some agreement between the opposing factions on what a fact is. Here a fact is scripture and often sets of scripture. The difference between an argument which is not substantive and one that is at least partly substantive has to be understood and valued. Otherwise the dialectic tends toward the gaming form - often subtle put downs and attacks upon individuals, and often too brief to make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    Not really. There is another use of 'seal up vision and prophecy' in Daniel, and in context, it means the end of it. It is not out of the question as far as Messiah's accomplishments in Dan 9. That He concluded it, completed it.
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    The New Covenant preceded the Old Covenant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    3, The resurrection was the completion of Abraham's promises, Acts 13.
    Made up.
    Promise, singular.
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    Acts 13
    23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus: 24 When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel. 25 And as John fulfilled his course, he said, Whom think ye that I am? I am not he. But, behold, there cometh one after me, whose shoes of his feet I am not worthy to loose. 26 Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent. 27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read* every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him. 28 And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain. 29 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre. 30 But God raised him from the dead: 31 And he was seen many* days of them which came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are his witnesses unto the people. 32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, 33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    Made up.
    Promise, singular.
    "Real writer and grammar scholar".
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    The list: http://theologyonline.com/entry.php?...quot-list-quot Great Bible software: http://www.theword.net/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    "Real writer and grammar scholar".
    Does not know the difference in promise and promises.
    He's not fooling anyone here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    Does not know the difference in promise and promises.
    He's not fooling anyone here.
    You "nit pickers!!!!!" It all says the same thing!!!! Focus on the mission, and fracturization....
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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    You "nit pickers!!!!!" It all says the same thing!!!! Focus on the mission, and fracturization....
    The Mission and Gazintas, I say!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    "Real writer and grammar scholar".




    Since 'promise' as a noun was not in question in Acts 13:32, and never has been, I went back to see what scandal STP was concocting this time. Sure enough, after 2 years and a hundred discussions, he found some other occurence of promise in the sermon. Way to go STP. You're the greatest.

    The matter in question is 'tauten' and since Tam is a Greek scholar she will know! The options are 'what ever God promise' or 'what God promised' or 'the things God promised.'

    So once again the ridicule is quite short lived and the boys of D'ism are naked to the world.

    Without being too technical with the Greek, they might look at the overall picture of the sermon and notice that step by step things have been fulfilled and now all of it is fulfilled in the resurrection. That is the sense I get but it is a bit subjective. For ex., they DID get their land; done deal. David DID get a kingdom, done deal. Now in Christ it was time for something new to arrive; the mission to the nations through the Spirit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    Poor northwye, another lost soul



    He may run long, but if you don't know those issues, you haven't even started PJ. Anyone who has worked in Greek a year will tell you that sorting out 'kata sarka' is a huge project, extremely definitive to the whole NT. You have to read many times to get an accurate picture. You have nothing without it.
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    Chafer wrote (thanks North)
    Lewis S. Chafer said that dispensationalism has
    "...changed the Bible from being a mass of more or less conflicting
    writings into a classified and easily assimilated revelation


    I've been trying to explain this for years. Like a centralized government, D'ism bellyaches that you 'need' them (it--2P2P) to 'get' the Bible. Like a Marxist, there is always need for a 'crisis' for which the 'government' is needed to solve it. Presto: D'ist ideas! They will solve all the problems.

    I wonder...if D'ism's similarity to Judaism was...one of the conflicts! Could it be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Your explanations are confused by your FALSE premise that absence is cancellation.

    Until you FIX your FALSE ideas, you'll never understand what is actually being taught in the scripture.




    That's not quite what I mean by talking about WHY you believe what you do, RD. Try again. I already know you have 10 ways of saying that. I need to speak on the level of reasons. What reasons do you think Paul and Peter are NOT deeply unified on these things? OK? Try that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    It figures that you would back up some crazy ideas.





    There are already some translations that say 'seal up'--as in close. I will try to find the other reference. Hebrew is quite surprising where it can go. I assume you know, for ex., what it means when it says near Moses death, 'he was still strong.'?
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