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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    My my, someone wasn't honest.

    Based on the Libertarian Party Platform and the doctrine that it's based on, there is no way that you're a "centrist".

    https://www.lp.org/platform/

    Here's mine:

    You are a: Right-Leaning Nationalist Reactionary
    Collectivism score: -33%
    Authoritarianism score: 0%
    Internationalism score: 0%
    Tribalism score: 33%
    Liberalism score: -67%

    How about we discuss each question and give our thoughts and we'll see whose ideology makes more sense?
    By all means...some of the questions were not worded the best so some clarification may be in order.

    Also, I'll engage this chat if you stop being a complete moron. I am not a Libertarian. I've told you this repeatedly but...you're a moron. If you can stop being you for just a short while, let's continue.

    Sound fair?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    By all means...some of the questions were not worded the best so some clarification may be in order.

    Also, I'll engage this chat if you stop being a complete moron. I am not a Libertarian. I've told you this repeatedly but...you're a moron. If you can stop being you for just a short while, let's continue.

    Sound fair?
    Even though you've been a ardent supporter of "Libertarian for life" Ron Paul and his mini-me son Rand Paul



    and voted Libertarian Party you're not a Libertarian? Even though the tests that you've taken put you in the Libertarian category you're not a Libertarian?

    If you want me to pretend that you're not a Libertarian, then I'll do so, but the evidence is out there. Why are you so ashamed to admit that you're for "liberty"?

    On that note: Start off with the first two questions and give your answers with explanations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    Even though you've been a ardent supporter of "Libertarian for life" Ron Paul and his mini-me son Rand Paul



    and voted Libertarian Party you're not a Libertarian? Even though the tests that you've taken put you in the Libertarian category you're not a Libertarian?
    I am not, nor have I ever been a member of the Libertarian party. Therefore, I am not a Libertarian.

    Stop being such a moron.

    Yes, I liked a lot of Ron Paul's ideas (Rand Paul to a much lesser degree). Yet, Ron Paul ran most recently as a Republican. Yet, I am not a Republican either. I am also not a Democrat. Because I am not a member of any political party.

    If you want me to pretend that you're not a Libertarian, then I'll do so
    I want you to pretend that you are not a complete moron and are actually capable of carrying on a conversation like an adult. Give it a shot...

    On that note: Start off with the first two questions and give your answers with explanations.
    It' your quiz. What are the first two questions?

    Maybe, oh I don't know...post them...
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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    I am not, nor have I ever been a member of the Libertarian party. Therefore, I am not a Libertarian.

    Stop being such a moron.
    One doesn't have to be a card carrying member of any organization to embrace their ideology.

    Yes, I liked a lot of Ron Paul's ideas (Rand Paul to a much lesser degree). Yet, Ron Paul ran most recently as a Republican. Yet, I am not a Republican either. I am also not a Democrat. Because I am not a member of any political party.
    Yeah, what's not to like about nutcase Ron Paul, (aka Daddy Paul) who claims to be a Christian yet isn't sure if homosexuality is even a sin. Then there's Daddy Paul wanting to legalize all recreational drugs. I won't get started on his stance on virtual kiddy porn.

    I want you to pretend that you are not a complete moron and are actually capable of carrying on a conversation like an adult. Give it a shot...
    Not interested, for one thing I seemed to get banned whenever I have conversations with those "We want less government!" Libertarian types (if you don't see the irony in my last sentence, sleep on it and perhaps it will come to you tomorrow).
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    Why does this thread exist? Why is it not terminated? Instead of fake news, the left uses TOL for fake narratives. Trad hates Trump.

    Quote Originally Posted by Traditio View Post

    Basically, here's the idea: have the government pay everyone enough money so that they start off at an above-poverty income level.

    I can't express just how much I love this idea, and just how much this would pretty much solve all kinds of social problems and political debates.

    Combine this with a single payer health-care system, tuition free universities and extremely tight border controls? I can't even express in words just how supremely epic that would be.

    All of a sudden, the need for unions just ends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    One doesn't have to be a card carrying member of any organization to embrace their ideology.



    Yeah, what's not to like about nutcase Ron Paul, (aka Daddy Paul) who claims to be a Christian yet isn't sure if homosexuality is even a sin. Then there's Daddy Paul wanting to legalize all recreational drugs. I won't get started on his stance on virtual kiddy porn.



    Not interested, for one thing I seemed to get banned whenever I have conversations with those "We want less government!" Libertarian types (if you don't see the irony in my last sentence, sleep on it and perhaps it will come to you tomorrow).
    So the answer is no, you cannot stop being a moron. Rather than actually discuss the quiz you posted, you want to rehash the same tired talking points you've been stuck on for years. You are as insincere as they come and are a complete waste of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick M View Post
    Why does this thread exist? Why is it not terminated? Instead of fake news, the left uses TOL for fake narratives. Trad hates Trump.
    What does support for the alt-right have to go with support for Trump?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    So the answer is no, you cannot stop being a moron. Rather than actually discuss the quiz you posted, you want to rehash the same tired talking points you've been stuck on for years. You are as insincere as they come and are a complete waste of time.

    I should point out before you continue on your TOL back-patting tour where people congratulate you for being a moderate, that the Libertarian Alt Right is the left (sure, they borrow off of conservative doctrine, but their core principles are secular, i.e. they lack a Judeo-Christian foundation).

    The Libertarian movement has been lying for sometime now stating that they are conservatives.

    What values are they conserving?
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    aCultureWarrior is no longer welcome to be a part of this conversation but I think it would be fun to go over some of these questions in more depth.
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    1. The decline of traditional families has caused more harm than good - yes

    2. The moral decay of our society is a significant threat to our civilization - yes

    3. Terrorist propaganda, incitements to violence or other violent hate speech should NOT be protected free speech - maybe (it depends on the specific nature of each example)

    4. People should be allowed private ownership of heavy weapons to defend themselves from the government - yes

    5. Euthanasia, abortion and suicide should all be legal - no

    6. Hard drugs (eg. cocaine, heroin), should be legal - yes

    7. The government always has the right to impose taxes on people - maybe (do they have the legal authority? Yes. Do they have a moral right? No.)

    8. The government always has the right to dictate what people can and cannot do - no

    9. Whether you agree with a war or not, it is your duty to support the armed forces - yes (I personallydo and I personallyagree with that statement but if others disagree, that is their right. I don't like the word 'duty' here).

    10. Multiculturalism, religious pluralism and diversity are something we should strive for as a society - yes (I don't like 'strive for'. Should we embrace diversity and cultural/religious pluralism? Yes.
    11. Our laws should be based on our religious beliefs and values like the 10 commandments - no (who is "our"? See above as to why this is problematic. There is no state religion and therefore our laws cannot and should not be base on any one religion).

    12. Private corporations would be better at delivering services than government agencies - yes

    13. Government interference does more harm than good - yes

    14. The smaller the government is, the better - yes

    15. Welfare and similar programs are not worth the money - yes (as in they are not worth the money. This is very awkwardly worded. I do believe in some sort of safety net but if people were not taxed as highly as they are, they would have more of their own money to invest in themselves).

    16. The culture of dependancy on the government has created an entire class of useless people - yes (I wouldn't call anyone 'useless' but I agree with the general sentiment).

    17. A society is judged by how it treats it's most vulnerable citizens - yes

    18. Income inequality harms our society - yes (just as forced income equality would harm our society. Terribly vague question).

    19. Our nation should eliminate all foreign aid and spend that money on other things - maybe (I would not eliminate all foreign aid but I am for eliminating most of it).

    20. Our nation should never intervene in civil wars or rebellions, let them take care of their own problems - maybe (also terribly vague. We interfere way too much but I don't think we should eliminate the option altogether. And, I am for humanitarian intervention, which would be excluded due to the vague nature of the statement).

    21. Dangerous ideologies that threaten our nation and our values should be fought across the globe, not just at home - yes (although the United States does this way too often. However, I would rather take the fight to the enemy. I'm glad WWII was not fought in our nations borders (other than Pearl Harbor, of course)).

    22. The United Nations is a completely useless organization and it's not worth being a member - maybe (it is pretty useless but it's not completely useless. I am for some sort of global peace and dialogue vehicle but I am not a big fan of the UN).

    23. Our country should never join a currency union like the Euro - yes (as in we should not ever join a currency union. Also not worded the best).

    24. There should be a single worldwide government - NO!!!! There should not be.

    25. My country is inherently better than other countries - yes (Murica! But seriously, our foundation is superior to many nations and has resulted in the US being pretty great, relatively speaking).

    26. We should just nuke our enemies, it's a waste of time to try and deal with them - no ()

    27. Racial profiling is never a legitimate law enforcement tactic - no (let's be honest. I should be used sparingly but if airport security is a little bit more likely to pull Middle Easterners aside for a closer check, I get it. There's no point in putting our collective heads in the sand).

    28. Some nations are poor because of their culture or values - yes

    29. Immigration has a generally positive effect on my nation - yes

    30. Illegal immigrants should have a path to citizenship - maybe (I don't want to reward illegal actions but in some cases I think we should give them a path to citizenship).

    Collectivism score: -17%
    Authoritarianism score: -50%
    Internationalism score: -17%
    Tribalism score: 0%
    Liberalism score: 0%

    I must have answered a question or 2 slightly differently as my authoritarianism score was a higher negative the first time around and my liberalism score was -17% rather than zero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    aCultureWarrior is no longer welcome to be a part of this conversation..
    Says who?

    but I think it would be fun to go over some of these questions in more depth.


    1. The decline of traditional families has caused more harm than good - yes

    2. The moral decay of our society is a significant threat to our civilization - yes
    If aCultureWarrior wanted to be a part of this conversation, he would call your bluff on #1 and #2 and show that it's impossible for stand for the libertarian doctrine of "sexual freedom" while acknowledging that it has caused the decline of the traditional family and hence moral decay in society.

    But since I'm not interested on calling your bluff...

    BTW: The Libertarian movement has been lying for sometime now stating that they are conservatives.

    What values are they conserving?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick M View Post
    Why does this thread exist? Why is it not terminated? Instead of fake news, the left uses TOL for fake narratives. Trad hates Trump.
    Hmm, you want to censor Trad's thread? Ironic, given how often you go on about 'liberal censorship'...
    Well this is fun isn't it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditio View Post
    The alt-right is ultimately what you get when identity politics is taken to its logical conclusion.
    Only if you go in the direction of tribalism, racism, and supremacy. If you go in the direction of justice and equity, you get something else entirely.

    Quote Originally Posted by Traditio View Post
    It is the "natural" reaction to the demonization of white people that we've been seeing from the identitarian left.
    Your fragility is showing, white boy.

    When black people complain about the systemic ways in which they are met with violence, suspicion, and discrimination, you feel like you're under attack.

    Quote Originally Posted by Traditio View Post
    It is qualitatively no different from organizations like Black Lives Matter. At its core, the alt-right essentially is the belief that white people need a "safe space." And why shouldn't they? Everyone else apparently wants one.
    It's no different...unless you look at which groups are actually under threat and which aren't. Then it's a whole different world.

    Quote Originally Posted by Traditio View Post
    The alt-right are not Nazis.
    ...but Nazis are of the alt-right.

    Not just Nazis though. There are also KKK members, neo-Confederates, men's rights activists, Internet trolls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    Right-Leaning Pro-Government Interventionist Nationalist Traditionalist

    Collectivism score: -17%
    Authoritarianism score: 17%
    Internationalism score: 33%
    Tribalism score: 33%
    Liberalism score: -17%


    Explanation key:

    Collectivism refers economic intervention, whether the society or state should intervene in the economy to redistribute wealth from the more to the less successful. The negative percentages indicate opposition to such intervention.

    Authoritarianism refers to state power to control the actions of individuals to prevent them from harming others or themselves, and also to establish the will of the majority over society. Negative percentages indicate opposition to state power.

    Internationalism refers to political involvement in other nations or global affairs, either via war, treaty or international organizations. Negative percentages indicate isolationist beliefs, and the belief in national sovereignty.

    Tribalism refers to identity or nationalism, favoring your own nation over foreigners. Negative percentages indicate opposition to national or ethnic identity and oriented towards pan-humanism.

    Liberalism refers to acceptance of historically illegal or immoral social practices or customs. Negative percentages indicate opposition to such acceptance.
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