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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditio View Post
    Just saying.
    What happened to your flag avatar?
    It was pretty.

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    The left is all over the place trying to define "alt-right".
    They will broaden or narrow the definition depending on the argument they are having at the time, to lump whomever they want to into that group.

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    How does the left think alt-right folks should be treated in public?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    Who are you?
    That's Stripe's line - do you ever say anything original? I know it's the pits being a leftist, but please, Wiz
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    How does the left think alt-right folks should be treated in public?
    Shut them up and shut them down
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    Hitler's economic policies were very much comparable to FDR's.
    They weren't his.

    Hjalmar Schacht
    While he never joined the NSDAP, he became a supporter of Adolf Hitler, and served in Hitler's government as President of the Reichsbank (19331939) and Minister of Economics (August 1934 November 1937). As such, Schacht played a key role in implementing the policies attributed to Hitler.[2]

    While Schacht was for a time feted for his role in the German "economic miracle," he opposed Hitler's policy of German re-armament insofar as it violated the Treaty of Versailles and (in his view) disrupted the German economy. His views in this regard led Schacht to clash with Hitler and most notably with Goering. He was dismissed as President of the Reichsbank in January 1939. He remained as a minister without portfolio, and received the same salary, until he was fully dismissed from the government in January 1943. [3]After the war, he was tried at Nuremberg but acquitted.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hjalmar_Schacht
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    That's Stripe's line - do you ever say anything original? I know it's the pits being a leftist, but please, Wiz
    What, if Stripe says it, no one else can?

    The language police:

    1. You can't use the term snowflake unless you're a rightist, because that word is only allowed for use by rightists.
    2. You can't use words that Stripe uses.
    3.
    So keep your candles burning
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    They weren't his.

    Hjalmar Schacht...
    1. This is a Nazi propaganda pamphlet that was circulating in 1932.

    There's a reason the party was called "The National Socialist German Workers' Party."

    http://research.calvin.edu/german-pr...programm.htm#g

    2. Even if various of the economic policies weren't Hitler's ideas or the ideas of the Nazis, they apparently didn't object to them. Can you imagine those policies being enacted under Ronald Reagan?

    3. The left-wing economic policies continued even after Schahct left.

    From the wikipedia article you cited:

    "Joseph Goebbels remarked about the merits of Hitler’s welfare state in a 1944 editorial 'Our Socialism,' where he professed: 'We and we alone [the Nazis] have the best social welfare measures. Everything is done for the nation.'"

    That was in 1944. Well after Schacht left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditio View Post
    1. This is a Nazi propaganda pamphlet that was circulating in 1932.
    No. It's Wikipedia article. And it is the consensus of economic historians. Schacht enacted economic policies that pulled Gemany out of the depression.

    There's a reason the party was called "The National Socialist German Workers' Party."
    Because no one would have supported it otherwise. However, soon after Hitler controlled the party, he made an alliance with German industrialists, promised not to nationalize industry, and then in the "Night of the Long Knives" purged the Nazi party of socialists.

    When he gained power, after the Reichstag fire, he used that as an excuse to kill or imprison socialist leaders outside the party.

    In the months after Hitler took power, SA and Gestapo agents went from door to door looking for Hitler's enemies. They arrested Socialists, Communists, trade union leaders, and others who had spoken out against the Nazi party; some were murdered. By the summer of 1933, the Nazi party was the only legal political party in Germany. Nearly all organized opposition to the regime had been eliminated. Democracy was dead in Germany.
    https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article...uleId=10005686

    Even if various of the economic policies weren't Hitler's ideas or the ideas of the Nazis, they apparently didn't object to them.
    Hitler was an economic ignoramus. But Schacht was not. His economic ideas, similar to those of Keynes, pulled Germany out of a deep depression.

    Can you imagine those policies being enacted under Ronald Reagan?
    No. Reagan recognized the importance of what he called the "social safety net", something Hitler did not allow. However, Reagan was a great admirer of Franklin D. Roosevelt, and so the Keynesian aspects of Schacht's policies would likely have agreed with him. Those were the same aspects that ultimately led to Schacht being fired by Hitler.

    The left-wing economic policies continued even after Schahct left.
    No. Labor leaders were sent to concentration camps and labor unions were controlled by the state. Strikes were forbidden. And against Schacht's advice, Hitler went on a rearmament spree that made Germany the strongest military force in Europe, but adversely affected the economy as Schacht predicted.

    Germany had a socialized medicine system dating back from the days of Bismark. Hitler never removed it, but certainly didn't enlarge it. It was just part of the culture by that time.

    If you think the National Socialist Party was socialist, you no doubt think that the People's Republic of China is run by the people of China.
    Let's say that I suffer from a delusion. I will call this delusion "Fact-check Syndrome." I respond by citing facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    The left has taken the sting out of the word "Nazi".
    All one had to do to be labeled a Nazi by the left was to vote for Trump.
    The real Nazis were all about absolute power and a liberal use of violence to achieve it. Haven't seen that here in America on the right side or alt right....just a bunch of dorks who dress funny and have no teeth and live on meth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    Shut them up and shut them down
    With malice and violence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClimateSanity View Post
    The real Nazis
    Well, I've been painted as a white supremacist Nazi.

    So "Nazis" are cool now!

    And the term "snowflake" used to be a slur blacks used for whites.
    I liked it!
    Sounded so much prettier than "cracker".

    Times change, terms change.

    Now Nazis are the cool folks that stand up for free speech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    No. It's Wikipedia article.
    You misunderstood the referent of "this."

    The Nazi propaganda pamphlet from 1932 is in the link below:

    http://research.calvin.edu/german-pr...programm.htm#g

    At any rate, a few brief words on the remainder:

    I obviously don't think that the Nazis were socialists any more than "democratic socialists" are socialists. I do, however, think that they had solid left wing economic ideas, and whether you want to ascribe them to Hitler and the Nazis directly or not, it is undeniable that the government enacted solid Keynesian economic policies, economic policies that an economic right winger like Reagan (a standard "lower taxes and deregulate" Republican) likely would have rejected.

    At any rate, historical questions aside, I think that my initial point is basically correct:

    If there were a party that combined Keynesian economics with a nationalist agenda (limit immigration; deport illegal immigrants, etc.), a party that approaches actual historical naziism (like the National Front and Golden Dawn), I think that such a party would likely have a wider following in the US than the Alt-Right currently does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Well, I've been painted as a white supremacist Nazi.
    No, you've shown white supremacist videos and declined to disavow the message in them, messages that I copied from the video and posted to you asking if you agreed and you wouldn't answer. Which, of course, is an answer. I can only go by your words and by your intentional omissions.

    So "Nazis" are cool now!
    Name it and claim it if it floats your boat.

    And the term "snowflake" used to be a slur blacks used for whites.
    I liked it!
    Sounded so much prettier than "cracker".
    Not according to wiki. Look it up. The main, and most modern usage is to denote weakness and fragility ( commonly aimed at millennials).

    Times change, terms change.

    Now Nazis are the cool folks that stand up for free speech.
    Well, looks like you've claimed it.
    So keep your candles burning
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