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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    Matthew 10:23 (KJV)

    The LORD sending Peter to Cornelius was OUT OF ORDER. Something had changed.
    That's exactly what bugged Peter. But IP can't see that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    I'd almost posted to Musti not to bother with his "why Paul?" question to you; that you'd only look at it from within all that your overall view is based on; which in your case, is your overall distortion.

    Sure enough; you did just that.

    You're a fool, Interplanner; plain and simple.

    Nevertheless, Rom. 5:8.
    Why should I not have bothered?

    You called him a fool. Well, that was exactly the point of asking him. I would have bet my next check he couldn't answer, and he can't. The question exposed his abject ignorance of what he constantly rails against. The simplest questions, with the ball put in the other guy's court, tend to do that. If MAD is totally wrong, then IP should easily be able to demonstrate from Scripture what is true.

    But he hasn't, and he won't, because he can't. He DOES NOT KNOW why Paul replaced the Twelve but can't deny it happened. Anyone who reads all the way through Acts will see it.

    But he'll keep on insisting MAD is wrong. He will never tell us what is RIGHT, but he'll keep on that MAD is wrong.

    IP is not simply a fool. He's a deliberate lying troll. You'll probably disagree on that...you seem to keep giving benefit of the doubt that he's sincere...but he clearly isn't.

    One thing McLean says that's correct: when an honest person realizes he's been wrong, he'll do one of two things: change his mind, or stop being honest.

    IP isn't unintelligent -- he knows that he can't answer our simple questions -- but he is being thoroughly dishonest. Apparently that's a thing with preterists.
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    Must says:
    If MAD is totally wrong, then IP should easily be able to demonstrate from Scripture what is true.



    That's what the thread 'the NT core doctrine' is there for...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    Must says:
    If MAD is totally wrong, then IP should easily be able to demonstrate from Scripture what is true.



    That's what the thread 'the NT core doctrine' is there for...
    Is it acceptable to God to eat pork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    That's exactly what bugged Peter. But IP can't see that.




    sinful nature rebelled against going to the Gentiles. Look at peter's spontaneous reaction: 10:14. The old traditions run deep.

    this whole thing is like the game Othello. Until you realize there is a white chip at each end, you are looking at your series of black chips within them and boast how you've got it right.

    You wont' clear it up either, until you realize that Chafer's self-worshiping arrogance is the stronghold over all of you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    That's exactly what bugged Peter. But IP can't see that.




    re STP's quote above your response to it. the new covenant had come (which you don't believe exists) and that's what changed the order. Ie, it corrected believers to what they were supposed to do. That's the regeneration Christ was talking about, when people would be born from above instead of physically as in Judaism.

    Judea, Samaria, the ends of the earth, was the order. With the portable, transcultural, new covenant Gospel. But hard-headed, deep-traditioned people like Peter couldn't see it yet. And even capitulated (Gal 2).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Philip never went to a gentile. Show us the scripture were you think that he did.



    NT 101
    Acts 8:4 Samaritans were considered Gentiles
    8:24 Ethiopian. But I've heard that's actually up in Russia. Joking, RD, calm down. An angel of the Lord sent Philipp that direction. As was planned by the Great Commissioner.

    Ever gone loaded with the Gospel and just walked and prayed until you found yourself in an 'appointment' where an angel set you up to talk with someone? You won't get there loading up on Israel's future theocracy! Only in the glory of God in the face of the suffering and raised Lord Jesus Christ.

    8:4 THOSE WHO HAD BEEN SCATTERED PREACHED WHEREVER THEY WENT. What's this about "benching the 12"? You see the Bible is really confusing when not read, and when Chafer/Darby/Scofield is read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    re STP's quote above your response to it. the new covenant had come (which you don't believe exists) and that's what changed the order. Ie, it corrected believers to what they were supposed to do. That's the regeneration Christ was talking about, when people would be born from above instead of physically as in Judaism.

    Judea, Samaria, the ends of the earth, was the order. With the portable, transcultural, new covenant Gospel. But hard-headed, deep-traditioned people like Peter couldn't see it yet. And even capitulated (Gal 2).
    Made up, Dr Phil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    re STP's quote above your response to it. the new covenant had come (which you don't believe exists) and that's what changed the order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    With the portable, transcultural, new covenant Gospel. But hard-headed, deep-traditioned people like Peter couldn't see it yet.
    100% made up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    Ever gone loaded with the Gospel and just walked and prayed until you found yourself in an 'appointment' where an angel set you up to talk with someone? You won't get there loading up on Israel's future theocracy! Only in the glory of God in the face of the suffering and raised Lord Jesus Christ.
    First, you made up the part about the angel.

    Secondly, when we talk to strangers about salvation, it is always 2 Cor 5:19-21 (KJV).

    Thirdly, just because our "mission" is the gospel, this does not mean that God has cancelled the land promise.

    Believe God, put down your commentaries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    8:4 THOSE WHO HAD BEEN SCATTERED PREACHED WHEREVER THEY WENT. What's this about "benching the 12"? You see the Bible is really confusing when not read, and when Chafer/Darby/Scofield is read.
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    11:19 Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    NT 101
    Acts 8:4 Samaritans were considered Gentiles
    8:24 Ethiopian. But I've heard that's actually up in Russia. Joking, RD, calm down. An angel of the Lord sent Philipp that direction. As was planned by the Great Commissioner.

    Ever gone loaded with the Gospel and just walked and prayed until you found yourself in an 'appointment' where an angel set you up to talk with someone? You won't get there loading up on Israel's future theocracy! Only in the glory of God in the face of the suffering and raised Lord Jesus Christ.

    8:4 THOSE WHO HAD BEEN SCATTERED PREACHED WHEREVER THEY WENT. What's this about "benching the 12"? You see the Bible is really confusing when not read, and when Chafer/Darby/Scofield is read.
    Peter makes it plain that gentiles first heard good news by his mouth, which shows that no believers before Cornelius were considered to be gentiles.

    Act 15:7* And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.*

    After the event at the house of Cornelius, the believing Jews then hear that the gentiles had at that time received the word of GOD:


    Act 11:1* And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.*

    Peter implies that he withstood GOD before the gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit which was evidence to him and the Jews with him that this new event with the gentiles was ordained by GOD.


    Act 11:17* Forasmuch then as God gave them[gentiles] the like gift as he did unto [Jews], who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?*


    The believing Jews who heard Peter's testimony then glorified GOD and affirm that GOD, at that point in time, had first given Gentiles repentance unto life:


    Act 11:18* When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
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    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    NT 101
    Acts 8:4 Samaritans were considered Gentiles
    8:24 Ethiopian. But I've heard that's actually up in Russia. Joking, RD, calm down. An angel of the Lord sent Philipp that direction. As was planned by the Great Commissioner.

    .
    The Ethiopian eunuch had been to Jerusalem to worship..... Pentecost, which means that he was either a Jew or a proselyte Jew.

    Act 8:27* And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship


    Act 2:5* And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
    Act 2:10* Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post
    The Ethiopian eunuch had been to Jerusalem to worship..... Pentecost, which means that he was either a Jew or a proselyte Jew.

    Act 8:27* And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship


    Act 2:5* And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
    Act 2:10* Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,



    So what? Why send Philip down to that road? Philip still gave him the answer about Is 53 Judaism would not give, and that is what matters.
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