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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    The LORD Jesus Christ is NOT sitting on the throne of His father David.

    Luke 1:31-33 (AKJV/PCE)
    (1:31) And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. (1:32) He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: (1:33) And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

    Isa 9:7 (AKJV/PCE)
    (9:7) Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

    He WILL!




    There's not several thrones up there! He is seated and reigning.

    Crown him with many crowns! The Lamb upon the throne.

    D'ism is grotesquely mistaken, and evaporates the most powerful reason for preaching Christian truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    There's not several thrones up there! He is seated and reigning.

    Crown him with many crowns! The Lamb upon the throne.

    D'ism is grotesquely mistaken, and evaporates the most powerful reason for preaching Christian truth.
    The irony...
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    The New Covenant preceded the Old Covenant.

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    "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, thrh faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forebearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished--he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the justifier of him who has faith in Jesus."
    --Rom 3

    That is the proclamation that is our job. That is the permanent establishment of justice in Christ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, thrh faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forebearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished--he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the justifier of him who has faith in Jesus."
    --Rom 3

    That is the proclamation that is our job. That is the permanent establishment of justice in Christ.
    Ok. It does not sound like the Great Commission though, does it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    Jamie wrote:
    If Jesus was sitting on David's throne in Zion why does Paul reference Satan as the god of this age?




    Jn 12:30:
    Now is the time for judgement on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out. But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself.

    I believe he was saying that the proclamation of his Gospel as the act of judgement of God that justifies sinners at the same time 'drives out Satan.' God is just and justifier, Rom 3. But this has to be proclaimed to the world to have any effect. That is why other messages are powerless, and pose no risk to the person spreading them. The world likes to hear about 'improving your life' etc.

    I don't know why it would make any difference to sit on a throne in Jerusalem; what matters is that he is proclaimed as Lord of the universe, resurrected because of what he accomplished, and enthroned in that resurrection.



    So the Lord of the universe, the judge of all, about whom we see that 'heaven is his throne, and the earth is his footstool,'--this Lord "needs" Jerusalem in Judea to do business?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    So the Lord of the universe, the judge of all, about whom we see that 'heaven is his throne, and the earth is his footstool,'--this Lord "needs" Jerusalem in Judea to do business?
    Once AGAIN, God fulfills what He says regardless of what you think "needs" to be done.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

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    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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    Acts 7:48

    "However..."

    HOWEVER!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    Acts 7:48

    "However..."

    HOWEVER!!!
    Another cancellationist masterpiece?

    You are one silly faker.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

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    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    Acts 7:48

    "However..."

    HOWEVER!!!
    And?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    And?
    Clearly, he is reading a thing into that passage it is not saying.

    At the same time, there is a connection between what Stephen says here...

    Acts 7:44 Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as he had appointed, speaking unto Moses, that he should make it according to the fashion that he had seen. 7:45 Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Jesus into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David; 7:46 Who found favour before God, and desired to find a tabernacle for the God of Jacob. 7:47 But Solomon built him an house. 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest? 7:50 Hath not my hand made all these things?

    And what he then says here...

    7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: 7:53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

    What is your take - or anyone else's for that matter - on what that connection is?

    For it's not like passages in Scripture each function within their own vaccum, or independently of what their surrounding passages contribute towards better revealing said any one passage's intended meaning.

    Nevertheless, Rom. 5:8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    There's not several thrones up there!
    Rev
    20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    Rev
    20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    Rev 3:21 (AKJV/PCE)
    (3:21) To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
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    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

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    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Rev 3:21 (AKJV/PCE)
    (3:21) To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
    I'm sure you're just misunderstanding the Greek nuances. The NT Master will straighten you out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    I'm sure you're just misunderstanding the Greek nuances. The NT Master will straighten you out.
    • "My" doesn't mean my.
    • "His" doesn't mean his.
    • "Throne" doesn't mean throne.
    • etc. etc. etc.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Another cancellationist masterpiece?

    You are one silly faker.




    After showing that all Israel's land and kingdom had taken place, Stephen says HOWEVER to move on to the reality that is in Christ. This is the same thinking as col 2 on shadow to reality and Heb 10 and Gal 4 on maturity. Likewise, Acts 13: David was king but that purpose was completed in his generation.

    That is an aside (that purpose was completed) showing that if Paul had anything to say about the future restoration of DNA Israel, it would have been there. He does not because there is not.

    The NT is unified but it is a mess to Chafer and his 2P2P and D'ist pals. Because right where Christ is, the restoration of Israel should be, to them--if the Bible was to "make sense."

    I can't grasp the mentality of D'ists on this. When these passages are shown, they go find those from Joshua or reflections back on the taking of the land that show incompleteness on Israel's part. OK, but the passages in Joshua and in the NT do say it was all completed! Meaning: God did what he said! Their (Israel's) mistakes are their problem, not a problem with God's coming-through.

    So here is where all this goes: What is it about the resurrection that is so complete for Israel that Paul could be allowed to say what he did in Acts 13:32+?
    Last edited by Interplanner; September 9th, 2017 at 05:59 AM. Reason: the last "theirs" meant Israel's, not D'ists
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