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    Who will answer my questions?

    The following is from another thread.

    I suspect that it will not be answered in that thread

    Quote Originally Posted by beameup View Post
    All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on HIM the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
    Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for HE shall bear their iniquities.
    - Isaiah 53:6-11

    He was CUT OFF [גָּזַר gāzar גָּזַר gāzar] from the land of the living.

    Who is the Lord?

    Who did the Lord lay the iniquity of us all upon?

    Who is the Lord?

    Who did the Lord bruise?

    Who is the Lord?

    Who did the Lord put to grief?

    Who is the Lord?

    Who soul did the Lord make be an offering for sin?

    There is clearly two distinct parties here.

    Who is the Lord and who is the other party?
    "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

    "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

    Pro scripture = Protestant

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    Father, Son and Holy Spirit....go figure.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    I should make clear, this thread is not a calling out of beamup.

    I have no beef against him or this thread.

    I simply wanted that my questions are not swept under the rug and buried in another thread
    "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

    "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    Father, Son and Holy Spirit....go figure.
    Ok, could you elaborate?

    Could you be more specific?

    You listed three entities, three parties

    There are only two parties in the passage I am referring to

    Which ones are which?


    Let me relist them for you:

    Who is the Lord?

    Who did the Lord lay the iniquity of us all upon?

    Who is the Lord?

    Who did the Lord bruise?

    Who is the Lord?

    Who did the Lord put to grief?

    Who is the Lord?

    Who soul did the Lord make be an offering for sin?

    There is clearly two distinct parties here.

    Who is the Lord and who is the other party?



    So, you listed three, who is who?
    "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

    "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

    Pro scripture = Protestant

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    Quote Originally Posted by oatmeal View Post
    Ok, could you elaborate?

    Could you be more specific?

    You listed three entities, three parties

    There are only two parties in the passage I am referring to

    Which ones are which?


    Let me relist them for you:

    Who is the Lord?

    Who did the Lord lay the iniquity of us all upon?

    Who is the Lord?

    Who did the Lord bruise?

    Who is the Lord?

    Who did the Lord put to grief?

    Who is the Lord?

    Who soul did the Lord make be an offering for sin?

    There is clearly two distinct parties here.

    Who is the Lord and who is the other party?



    So, you listed three, who is who?
    If you need to ask the question you could never understand nor accept the answer.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    If you need to ask the question you could never understand nor accept the answer.
    Or in other words,

    a. you realize any answer you give will expose your doctrine as wrong.

    b. you are incapable answering my questions

    c. You have no answer that answers my questions in a scripturally logical manner

    d. all of the above
    "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

    "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

    Pro scripture = Protestant

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    So far then, I am right, I have not received an answer that fits my questions about the aforegiven passage
    "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

    "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by oatmeal View Post
    Who is the Lord and who is the other party?
    I'll answer your question with another question:
    Now Moses was pasturing the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian; and he led the flock to the west side of the wilderness and came to Horeb, the mountain of God [aka: Sinai]
    The angel of YHWH appeared to him in a blazing fire from the midst of a bush; and he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, yet the bush was not consumed.
    So Moses said, “I must turn aside now and see this marvelous sight, why the bush is not burned up.”

    When YHWH saw that he [Moses] turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!” And he said, “Here I am.” - Exodus 3:1-4

    Who is "in the bush"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beameup View Post
    I'll answer your question with another question:
    Now Moses was pasturing the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian; and he led the flock to the west side of the wilderness and came to Horeb, the mountain of God [aka: Sinai]
    The angel of YHWH appeared to him in a blazing fire from the midst of a bush; and he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, yet the bush was not consumed.
    So Moses said, “I must turn aside now and see this marvelous sight, why the bush is not burned up.”

    When YHWH saw that he [Moses] turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!” And he said, “Here I am.” - Exodus 3:1-4

    Who is "in the bush"?
    Wonderful question, but again I am right.

    That is not answer to my question, it is as you say another question.

    However, if you wish to use that strategy, then I will play this one round with you

    How, by asking another question.

    Moses replied "Here I am"

    Who is Moses?

    But again, I am right, no one has answered my questions with scripture and scriptural logic.
    "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

    "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by oatmeal View Post
    Or in other words,

    a. you realize any answer you give will expose your doctrine as wrong.

    b. you are incapable answering my questions

    c. You have no answer that answers my questions in a scripturally logical manner

    d. all of the above
    I don't give that which is holy to dogs just as I don't cast pearls before swine.

    Yesterday I spent nearly 5 hours doing a Bible study for a young man who absorbed everything like a sponge. He only stepped into error once and when he received a truthful explanation he accepted it without question.

    On Saturday I spent 6 hours guiding a guy in the mountains who says he is saved. We combined the hike with spiritual exercises. Although he was able to accept correction he often looked for excuses to sin. I also sensed he was not having a love affair with the Truth.

    In you there is no love of the truth.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oatmeal View Post
    So far then, I am right, I have not received an answer that fits my questions about the aforegiven passage
    Christ isn't the answer?

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    Greetings oatmeal,
    Quote Originally Posted by oatmeal View Post
    Who is the Lord?
    Please note that the word here is LORD, representing YHWH and this is Yahweh, God the Father.
    Who did the Lord lay the iniquity of us all upon?
    Jesus, the Son of God. In the context of Isaiah 53 he is introduced to us in Isaiah 52:13 as Yahweh's Servant.
    Who is the Lord?
    Who did the Lord bruise?
    Who is the Lord?
    Who did the Lord put to grief?
    Who is the Lord?
    Who soul did the Lord make be an offering for sin?
    There is clearly two distinct parties here.
    Who is the Lord and who is the other party?
    Same answer for all of these.

    Kind regards
    Trevor

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrevorL View Post
    Greetings oatmeal, Please note that the word here is LORD, representing YHWH and this is Yahweh, God the Father. Jesus, the Son of God. In the context of Isaiah 53 he is introduced to us in Isaiah 52:13 as Yahweh's Servant. Same answer for all of these.

    Kind regards
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    Yes, that is what it is about.

    However,it seems you are in a minority with me.

    others would say that Lord always refers to Jesus Christ.

    They do not distinguish between the Lord God and His son, the lord Jesus Christ.

    Good for you!
    "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

    "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    I don't give that which is holy to dogs just as I don't cast pearls before swine.

    Yesterday I spent nearly 5 hours doing a Bible study for a young man who absorbed everything like a sponge. He only stepped into error once and when he received a truthful explanation he accepted it without question.

    On Saturday I spent 6 hours guiding a guy in the mountains who says he is saved. We combined the hike with spiritual exercises. Although he was able to accept correction he often looked for excuses to sin. I also sensed he was not having a love affair with the Truth.

    In you there is no love of the truth.
    Well that's wonderful

    So with all your ability to teach and love why not teach us?

    Or would your answers not fit my questions?
    "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

    "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

    Pro scripture = Protestant

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    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
    Christ isn't the answer?
    There are two parties involved in that passage.

    One is the giver, the other is the recipient.

    Are you suggesting the giver and the recipient are one and the same?

    The Lord laid on him the iniquity of us all

    Who is the Lord and on whom did the Lord lay all iniquity on?

    Two separate parties>
    "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

    "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

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