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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    Thanks for calling it what his confusion is. Do you have a reference or quote about him on that, on Acts 2? I'm just referring to him calling the Bible confusing/conflicting messages, which of course it is, if it has 2P2P in it and if Acts 2 was actually about a theocracy X000 years later than that moment.
    Putting the dispensational change in Acts 2 is confusion.
    Your fairy tale is insanity.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

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    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    Hmmm, maybe the people who wrote H####s didn't know very much about the Judean / Aramean desert!
    Spoken like a true idiot.

    The SAME Hebrew WORD is used MANY times throughout the HEBREW scripture and ALWAYS.... WITHOUT EXCEPTION means 'peaceful, restful, etc.'

    It is YOU that is completely wrong and idiotically so.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Putting the dispensational change in Acts 2 is confusion.
    Your fairy tale is insanity.




    Could you just be clear for once? Is there a Davidic theocracy with the whole worship system in mind in 2:30, or is he speaking of the resurrection of Christ in a way apart from the 'normal' (Judaistic) meaning?

    Does Chafer have a quote about ch 2 in particular that should be read in this context?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    Could you just be clear for once?
    Thick irony...
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    You're too literal to get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    Could you just be clear for once? Is there a Davidic theocracy with the whole worship system in mind in 2:30, or is he speaking of the resurrection of Christ in a way apart from the 'normal' (Judaistic) meaning?
    The LORD Jesus Christ will sit on the throne of David when He returns in glory, just like He and scripture says.

    Matt 25:31-33 (AKJV/PCE)
    (25:31) When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: (25:32) And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats: (25:33) And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    Does Chafer have a quote about ch 2 in particular that should be read in this context?
    I'm not a Chafer follower, so I can't quote what I don't know.

    Try reading the entire Bible in context some time.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    The list: http://theologyonline.com/entry.php?...quot-list-quot Great Bible software: http://www.theword.net/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    I have no idea why you would say that when I have written out that the leader of the rebellion (a Barrabas-type character) would have been who Christ and Paul had in mind about these things, who claimed messianic status, divine intervention and ruined the country.

    You and your complimentors are vapid.
    Who was he?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    The LORD Jesus Christ will sit on the throne of David when He returns in glory, just like He and scripture says.

    Matt 25:31-33 (AKJV/PCE)
    (25:31) When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: (25:32) And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats: (25:33) And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.


    I'm not a Chafer follower, so I can't quote what I don't know.

    Try reading the entire Bible in context some time.




    That's not David's throne, and when what David foretold is mentioned in Acts 2 you change the wording. The wording of Acts to is that David saw the resurrection and enthronement of heaven. That is what is to be preached so that the nations will come to the obedience of faith.

    You sounded like you knew exactly what chafer was saying about that exact passage, so I wanted to hear it.

    I'm quite aware of the totality of the Bible. 'In the Seed (christ) all the nations will be blessed' is not a conflicting message for me, like it was for Chafer and his junk theology. It is true and fulfilled in Christ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    That's not David's throne, and when what David foretold is mentioned in Acts 2 you change the wording. The wording of Acts to is that David saw the resurrection and enthronement of heaven. That is what is to be preached so that the nations will come to the obedience of faith.

    You sounded like you knew exactly what chafer was saying about that exact passage, so I wanted to hear it.

    I'm quite aware of the totality of the Bible. 'In the Seed (christ) all the nations will be blessed' is not a conflicting message for me, like it was for Chafer and his junk theology. It is true and fulfilled in Christ.
    made up, why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    That's not David's throne, and when what David foretold is mentioned in Acts 2 you change the wording. The wording of Acts to is that David saw the resurrection and enthronement of heaven. That is what is to be preached so that the nations will come to the obedience of faith.
    100% made up. What's wrong with you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    Who was he?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    Who caused the sacrifice and oblation to stop,
    On earth, not heaven.


    who made the temple desolate with an image,
    On earth, not heaven.


    who demanded to be worshiped as God in the temple?
    On earth, not heaven.

    Earthly kingdoms are not heavenly kingdoms as IP tries to blend them together as one and the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    On earth, not heaven.


    On earth, not heaven.


    On earth, not heaven.

    Earthly kingdoms are not heavenly kingdoms as IP tries to blend them together as one and the same.




    The man of sin / AC / son of perdition / leader of the rebellion was the final act of a rancid Judaism. That was in Jerusalem, Judea. Coincidentally Christ stop sacrifices (the value of them) at the same time by being cut off, Dan 9:24. The worship system on earth, blind to Christ, kept on operating for a while, after Christ's sacrifice. The leader of the rebellion also (de facto) stopped the system in the late 60s to preserve food during the confined part of the siege.

    The sooner you get up to speed on the history of what happened there, the better for everybody.

    Any group built on Chafer's bizarre proposition is going to repeat such flaws all down the line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    The man of sin / AC / son of perdition / leader of the rebellion was the final act of a rancid Judaism. That was in Jerusalem, Judea. Coincidentally Christ stop sacrifices (the value of them) at the same time by being cut off, Dan 9:24. The worship system on earth, blind to Christ, kept on operating for a while, after Christ's sacrifice. The leader of the rebellion also stopped the system in the late 60s to preserve food during the confined part of the siege.

    The sooner you get up to speed on the history of what happened there, the better for everybody.

    Any group built on Chafer's bizarre proposition is going to repeat such flaws all down the line.
    You made that up. Why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    Daniel 8
    9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

    10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

    11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

    12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.



    The abomination of desolation



    Daniel 9
    27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


    The abomination of desolation



    Daniel 11
    30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

    31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

    32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.


    The abomination of desolation.
    Reiteration.
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    To clarify against Tam's last line:
    I don't blend them, I'm saying the eternal covenant and true faith in Christ is said by the NT to have existed before the Law/old covenant came along. The idea that there is a 2nd program replacing that was first of all in IT Judaism, in which Paul was raised (Gal 3:17), and more recently in Chafer's concoction called 2P2P or D'ism. D'ism is a way of just barely acknowledging that Christ is a savior, while still expecting everything IT Judaism expected to happen, as did the 'crowd' in Jn 12:34 and the upper classes of Jerusalem Judaism during the 1st century, who did not wish to confront Rome, and despised the Galileans who tried.

    D'ism will use the expression 'personal savior' which they believe clears up the matter.
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