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    I have responded by commenting for 2 years. Your being impossible and you are enabling their poor social and memory skills.

    I have gone through from 8:13 to show that it must be connected to the peak of the rebellion in v23. You could call it a transgression; it's Hebrew! There is no one English word that is going to be perfect.

    But I have no place for these ignorant people belittling standard grammar and language scholars and then setting themselves up as experts and saying who can read what and what translation is right or crap when they don't even read Hebrew. They don't know how fluid it is. they don't know how much depends on the overall setting or they would never boast about being so literal, which is not how Hebrew is.

    they insecure, they can't make lists of points and hold a thought, they are inarticulate, ingrown, poor social skills, they are arrogant about learning anything. SHOW THEM A JEWISH ZONDERVAN-PUBLISHED ARCHEOLOGIST OF ISRAEL AND THEY CRAP ON THAT TOO. And you validate them!

    I can paste passages too, until the next eclipse, but that doesn't communicate. I doesn't tell you what matters about the passage that YOU are missing. That's what you think STP did and it did not communicate.

    We have one NT comment total on Dan 8,9 and you know its in Mt 24. He said when he is standing in the temple, get out. The guy. The evil leader. the leader of the rebellion. yet Luke (Paul) was wider in his warning and said that when you see it surrounded get out. And it turns out, Agrippa, who wanted to save Judaism any way he could, had started a protective wall for Jerusalem even earlier, but died during the project and it was never completed, so the warning of Paul may have been as early as 60.

    The futurism of D'ism is a mess of trying to force everything in the future instead of paying attention to the past, to what is so solid about the prophets and christ and the apostles. The prediction and event of the destruction of israel catapults the basis of our faith like nothing else can. It is a stalwart tool to use when proclaiming that Christ is the enthroned Lord of 'the Lord said to my Lord'--David, whom David foresaw enthroned in Acts 2:30-31.

    There is absolutely no sense at all the NT's truthfulness, or Bible's truthfulness, comes down to an event that is unclear, futurist, and has not happened. I never see that in the NT. It is certainly not what Rom 11 is saying, nor Amos 9, which RD has in his footer asking when was it canceled.

    So you don't know what you are talking about when you say I have not dealt with STP's questions, which are amateur and simplistic. I keep him on ignore where he belongs.

    And the stupid dividing the Christian body in to several groups. How can a person miss the unity of the NT? "There is neither greek nor jew, male, nor female..." and all the reasons it gives. BUT EVERYTHING IN DISM IS ABOUT SEGRGATION, DIVIDING, COMPARTMENTS, SLOTS, BOXES, FRACTURES.

    And then they don't know that the\re is a living temple now, and we are living sacrifices, and knucklehead RD comes along today with his bricks! All because he wants neat little Gentile verses here and neat little jewish verses there. Gentiles can't learn what a temple is you see, so God would never have them act as priests, no, no, says mighty RD and STP. All of you should just leave for a year, study under real pastors, stop your online presence, read the thing 10x and get it out of your system. D'ism is toxic because it imposes 2 programs and peoples where Paul made it quite clear in Gal 3 that the promised Gospel was there all along and unifying all along, and predates anything that happened in the land (without any concern about more), that it is what 'in your Seed, all the nations will be blessed' through justification from sins and the Spirit of God, that Christ was that Seed, and we co-inherit in Him.

    You have people here parading as experts who dont' even know the extent of being in Christ. Go figure.
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    This board contains many of the desolation.

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    My theology is that the elect of Israel became the scattered church among the nations, and when filled up with the full number of gentiles who believe to become one with them, then Christ will return and gather them, and God will then pour out His wrath on the unbelievers of both Jew and Gentile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    I have responded by commenting for 2 years. Your being impossible and you are enabling their poor social and memory skills.

    I have gone through from 8:13 to show that it must be connected to the peak of the rebellion in v23. You could call it a transgression; it's Hebrew! There is no one English word that is going to be perfect.

    But I have no place for these ignorant people belittling standard grammar and language scholars and then setting themselves up as experts and saying who can read what and what translation is right or crap when they don't even read Hebrew. They don't know how fluid it is. they don't know how much depends on the overall setting or they would never boast about being so literal, which is not how Hebrew is.

    they insecure, they can't make lists of points and hold a thought, they are inarticulate, ingrown, poor social skills, they are arrogant about learning anything. SHOW THEM A JEWISH ZONDERVAN-PUBLISHED ARCHEOLOGIST OF ISRAEL AND THEY CRAP ON THAT TOO. And you validate them!

    I can paste passages too, until the next eclipse, but that doesn't communicate. I doesn't tell you what matters about the passage that YOU are missing. That's what you think STP did and it did not communicate.

    We have one NT comment total on Dan 8,9 and you know its in Mt 24. He said when he is standing in the temple, get out. The guy. The evil leader. the leader of the rebellion. yet Luke (Paul) was wider in his warning and said that when you see it surrounded get out. And it turns out, Agrippa, who wanted to save Judaism any way he could, had started a protective wall for Jerusalem even earlier, but died during the project and it was never completed, so the warning of Paul may have been as early as 60.

    The futurism of D'ism is a mess of trying to force everything in the future instead of paying attention to the past, to what is so solid about the prophets and christ and the apostles. The prediction and event of the destruction of israel catapults the basis of our faith like nothing else can. It is a stalwart tool to use when proclaiming that Christ is the enthroned Lord of 'the Lord said to my Lord'--David, whom David foresaw enthroned in Acts 2:30-31.

    There is absolutely no sense at all the NT's truthfulness, or Bible's truthfulness, comes down to an event that is unclear, futurist, and has not happened. I never see that in the NT. It is certainly not what Rom 11 is saying, nor Amos 9, which RD has in his footer asking when was it canceled.

    So you don't know what you are talking about when you say I have not dealt with STP's questions, which are amateur and simplistic. I keep him on ignore where he belongs.

    And the stupid dividing the Christian body in to several groups. How can a person miss the unity of the NT? "There is neither greek nor jew, male, nor female..." and all the reasons it gives. BUT EVERYTHING IN DISM IS ABOUT SEGRGATION, DIVIDING, COMPARTMENTS, SLOTS, BOXES, FRACTURES.

    And then they don't know that the\re is a living temple now, and we are living sacrifices, and knucklehead RD comes along today with his bricks! All because he wants neat little Gentile verses here and neat little jewish verses there. Gentiles can't learn what a temple is you see, so God would never have them act as priests, no, no, says mighty RD and STP. All of you should just leave for a year, study under real pastors, stop your online presence, read the thing 10x and get it out of your system. D'ism is toxic because it imposes 2 programs and peoples where Paul made it quite clear in Gal 3 that the promised Gospel was there all along and unifying all along, and predates anything that happened in the land (without any concern about more), that it is what 'in your Seed, all the nations will be blessed' through justification from sins and the Spirit of God, that Christ was that Seed, and we co-inherit in Him.

    You have people here parading as experts who dont' even know the extent of being in Christ. Go figure.
    All made up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon View Post
    This board contains many of the desolation.

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    LA Lost...

    Acts 2:38 (KJV)
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    The passages I posted show that the abomination of desolation is this:

    The Man of Sin halts the sacrifices, places an image, and causes the temple to be desolate.
    IP cannot refute these scriptures, ever.

    His made up ideas concerning "the rebellion that desolates" are pure fantasy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    You have people here parading as experts who dont' even know the extent of being in Christ. Go figure.
    Thick thick irony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    and knucklehead RD comes along

    Poor IP.
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    No, they don't.
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    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

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    No, they don't.




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    That's why you "threw your brick" yesterday. You have no idea what the NT is saying and you don't follow many of its basic concepts.
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    The passages I posted show that the abomination of desolation is this:

    The Man of Sin halts the sacrifices, places an image, and causes the temple to be desolate.
    IP cannot refute these scriptures, ever.

    His made up ideas concerning "the rebellion that desolates" are pure fantasy.
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    You would think he would at least retract the brick. Since what Paul is saying is totally clear.
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    Dan 8:13 (AKJV/PCE)
    (8:13) Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain [saint] which spake, How long [shall be] the vision [concerning] the daily [sacrifice], and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

    IP the Fabulous ASSUMES (due to his pushing HIS "interp" upon the Bible) that this "transgression" refers to Israel rebelling against Rome. What a loon!

    The following verse helps clarify what the Daniel really means and it does NOT match with IP's vain machinations.

    Dan 8:14 (AKJV/PCE)
    (8:14) And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

    The sanctuary is the Temple and it will be cleansed and NOT destroyed.

    The word used for CLEANSED is:
    H6663 צָדַק tsadaq (tsaw-dak') v.
    1. to be right (in a moral or forensic sense).
    2. (causatively) to make right (in a moral or forensic sense).
    [a primitive root]
    KJV: cleanse, clear self, (be, do) just(-ice, -ify, -ify self), (be turn to) righteous(-ness).

    It is quite clear that the "rebellion" is against GOD and not Rome.

    Why does Rome care about the desecration of the Temple?

    Jesus also clarified this quite nicely:

    Matt 24:15 (AKJV/PCE)
    (24:15) When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

    The abomination of desolation is STANDING in the holy place....

    Too clear and simple for "real writer and grammar scholar" to understand.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    The list: http://theologyonline.com/entry.php?...quot-list-quot Great Bible software: http://www.theword.net/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Dan 8:13 (AKJV/PCE)
    (8:13) Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain [saint] which spake, How long [shall be] the vision [concerning] the daily [sacrifice], and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

    IP the Fabulous ASSUMES (due to his pushing HIS "interp" upon the Bible) that this "transgression" refers to Israel rebelling against Rome. What a loon!

    The following verse helps clarify what the Daniel really means and it does NOT match with IP's vain machinations.

    Dan 8:14 (AKJV/PCE)
    (8:14) And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

    The sanctuary is the Temple and it will be cleansed and NOT destroyed.

    The word used for CLEANSED is:
    H6663 צָדַק tsadaq (tsaw-dak') v.
    1. to be right (in a moral or forensic sense).
    2. (causatively) to make right (in a moral or forensic sense).
    [a primitive root]
    KJV: cleanse, clear self, (be, do) just(-ice, -ify, -ify self), (be turn to) righteous(-ness).

    It is quite clear that the "rebellion" is against GOD and not Rome.

    Why does Rome care about the desecration of the Temple?

    Jesus also clarified this quite nicely:

    Matt 24:15 (AKJV/PCE)
    (24:15) When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

    The abomination of desolation is STANDING in the holy place....

    Too clear and simple for "real writer and grammar scholar" to understand.
    Yep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Dan 8:13 (AKJV/PCE)
    (8:13) Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain [saint] which spake, How long [shall be] the vision [concerning] the daily [sacrifice], and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

    IP the Fabulous ASSUMES (due to his pushing HIS "interp" upon the Bible) that this "transgression" refers to Israel rebelling against Rome. What a loon!

    The following verse helps clarify what the Daniel really means and it does NOT match with IP's vain machinations.

    Dan 8:14 (AKJV/PCE)
    (8:14) And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

    The sanctuary is the Temple and it will be cleansed and NOT destroyed.

    The word used for CLEANSED is:
    H6663 צָדַק tsadaq (tsaw-dak') v.
    1. to be right (in a moral or forensic sense).
    2. (causatively) to make right (in a moral or forensic sense).
    [a primitive root]
    KJV: cleanse, clear self, (be, do) just(-ice, -ify, -ify self), (be turn to) righteous(-ness).

    It is quite clear that the "rebellion" is against GOD and not Rome.

    Why does Rome care about the desecration of the Temple?

    Jesus also clarified this quite nicely:

    Matt 24:15 (AKJV/PCE)
    (24:15) When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

    The abomination of desolation is STANDING in the holy place....

    Too clear and simple for "real writer and grammar scholar" to understand.
    Yes sir.

    IP does not want the abomination of desolation to be what the Bible says that it is.
    Hath God said?
    It's wicked.
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