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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    Josephus JEWISH WAR, Book 2, lines 252 + provide several paragraphs that swerve close to situations in Acts. A person should know them when reading Acts and Mt24, Mk 13, Lk 21. The Jewish archeologist Cornfeld has also provided notes on these in his illustrated edition of JEWISH WAR, Zondervan, 1982.

    A sizeable amount goes into the Egyptian terrorist which Paul was thought to be, Acts 21. He had apparently heard the Mt. Olives line of Jesus (or of Zech) because he was promising his 4000 followers to arrive there where they would see the Roman garrison tumble, in a Jericho-type event, and thus insure his status as a prophet.

    Cornfeld shows that there were such messianic-overthrow movements all through the 4th-6th decades. But Cornfeld believes Christ's remarks about them in Mt 24A were in support--'you will see wars and revolutions and that's a good thing.' Cornfeld provides little explanation or defense. He believes Josephus failed to meantion Jesus as a revolutionist simply because there were so many. Conservative Pharisees believed in a Son of David, but shushed those who whipped up crowds and tried 'to hasten the coming of Messiah.'

    These facts show that the intention of the Luke-Acts account was to show that Paul was not a revolutionary like the others mentioned, even though totally aware of what they wanted. Instead he was there to preach something which was not invested in a revolt for independence.
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    I decided to read Danoh's comment. It is irrelevant. A figure in Jewish history from that time is a figure no matter how many times I read rom 5 and get Danoh's solar radiation.

    He has nothing that matters to say about the essay on the Rebellion that desolated Israel.
    You do not know the abomination of desolation, when the man of sin erects an image in the Temple and demands worship as God, from a hole in the ground.

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    These facts also show that the NT is totally part of the action of its time. It speaks to many of the situations of the time. It had to, with expressions like the salvation of Israel being bandied about! Judas the Galilean and the Egyptian terrorist of Acts 21 are two high profile characters we must know; they are both in and out of the Bible because the Bible is not a separate reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    These facts also show that the NT is totally part of the action of its time. It speaks to many of the situations of the time. It had to, with expressions like the salvation of Israel being bandied about! Judas the Galilean and the Egyptian terrorist of Acts 21 are two high profile characters we must know; they are both in and out of the Bible because the Bible is not a separate reality.
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    These facts also show that the NT is totally part of the action of its time. It speaks to many of the situations of the time.
    Neat.
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    Daniel 8
    9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

    10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

    11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

    12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.



    The abomination of desolation



    Daniel 9
    27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


    The abomination of desolation



    Daniel 11
    30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

    31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

    32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.


    The abomination of desolation.
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    As you can see from the scripture, IP's posts about the abomination of desolation are completely made up.
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    IP cannot handle the scriptures posted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    IP doesn't love the truth, he likes to be stuck in his errors
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    Colossians 1:13-14 KJV - Colossians 1:15-16 KJV - Colossians 1:17-18 KJV -

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    IP doesn't love the truth, he likes to be stuck in his errors
    This is true.
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    Neat.
    Maybe he's talking about Windows NT

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    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

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    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    The list: http://theologyonline.com/entry.php?...quot-list-quot Great Bible software: http://www.theword.net/

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    IP doesn't love the truth, he likes to be stuck in his errors




    That is an ignorant generalization and it is sin. Knock it off and finish talking about a specific text, unless you are just a coward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Maybe he's talking about Windows NT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    That is an ignorant generalization and it is sin. Knock it off and finish talking about a specific text, unless you are just a coward.
    Why are you being ignorant and sinning by not responding to the scriptures STP posted?
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    Colossians 1:19-20 KJV - Colossians 1:21-22 KJV - Colossians 1:23 KJV -

    Colossians 1:25-26 KJV 27, 28, 29 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Ephesians 1:12-13, 14 -



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