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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    To clarify against Tam's last line:
    I don't blend them, I'm saying the eternal covenant and true faith in Christ is said by the NT to have existed before the Law/old covenant came along. The idea that there is a 2nd program replacing that was first of all in IT Judaism, in which Paul was raised (Gal 3:17), and more recently in Chafer's concoction called 2P2P or D'ism. D'ism is a way of just barely acknowledging that Christ is a savior, while still expecting everything IT Judaism expected to happen, as did the 'crowd' in Jn 12:34 and the upper classes of Jerusalem Judaism during the 1st century, who did not wish to confront Rome, and despised the Galileans who tried.

    D'ism will use the expression 'personal savior' which they believe clears up the matter.
    All made up.
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    Daniel 8
    9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

    10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

    11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

    12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.



    The abomination of desolation



    Daniel 9
    27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


    The abomination of desolation



    Daniel 11
    30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

    31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

    32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.


    The abomination of desolation.
    Rererereiteration....
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    Will IP ever address these scriptures?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    Will IP ever address these scriptures?
    9-13-2017 3-54-40 PM.jpg
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

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    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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    The Mt24A passage is not futurist. Neither is its earlier parallel Mk 13. Those passages are about 1st century Judea. Check all the details for that. At Mt24:29, it goes future and worldwide, and is expected, originally, to be right after the horrible time in Judea.

    However, an allowance is made that the final day of worldwide judgement may be later, and we know it was.

    The future worldwide day of judgement has no Judean detail to it; it would make no sense to.

    The expression AofD started as the rebellion that desolates in Dan 8:13, a rebellion that would take place during the 4th kingdom that overran Israel, mentioned later in ch 8 and 9.

    Christ was speaking of a person. Let the reader understand that. It would not be an image placed by an outside party. it would the the noxious actions of the rebellion and its leader; he would be found setting up in the temple and would ruin the country. There are events in the Great Revolt of 66-72 that follow this close enough.

    Luke (Paul's) was written last, latest. When he comes close to this, it is no longer about watching for a person, but watching out for the city to be encircled. The Romans did encircle of course as part of their siege works, and this is certainly what is meant in 19:43, which passage is full of expressions from the first destruction of Jerusalem, but updated with Roman military vocabulary, making it unmistakable. However, we should note that Festus sought to protectively encircle Jerusalem even before that, but died during the constsruction and it was stopped and used against the city, once the zealot rebellion had overrun it. Festus, Agrippa and Bernice were interested in preserving the city as members of Judaism, and tried to stop the zealots.

    There is also an account (in Josephus' JEWISH WAR) of Bernice making a direct appeal to a particularly horrible Roman figure, Florus, because he was agitating the rebellious zealots and trying to get them to fight.

    So I think Festus effort to protect the city is signal enough for Christians to leave the city. Some stayed and were miraculously able to escape when the surrounding by Roman siege was interrupted a couple years later.

    But Christ's remarks about how the zealots/Judaizers would ruin the city are not directed at Roman admins; they are all directed at the zealots; 'leistes' in Lk 19:46 is not a common thief; it is a terrorist, an insurgent. Part of this was to show in Luke-Acts that Paul was not part of any such rebellion at all.

    Many, many passages in Paul refer to the 2nd coming in judgement being right round the corner. I don't know when 2 Peter was written but it appears to deal with this difficulty ('where is the coming?' 'some things in Paul's letters are hard to understand'). Once 72 went by and the world continued on, only the basic instruction to keep proclaiming Christ as Lord to all men, and his eventual return in judgement is clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post



    So you send cartoons of 'play' buttons instead of scriptures. Wow they must really be something. STP is not allowed to tell RD, who is not allowed to print them out for me. Wow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Putting the dispensational change in Acts 2 is confusion.
    Your fairy tale is insanity.




    Christ was the dispensation change. Are we supposed to "put" him somewhere?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Spoken like a true idiot.

    The SAME Hebrew WORD is used MANY times throughout the HEBREW scripture and ALWAYS.... WITHOUT EXCEPTION means 'peaceful, restful, etc.'

    It is YOU that is completely wrong and idiotically so.




    What does that have to do with the rebellion that desolated Israel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    On earth, not heaven.


    On earth, not heaven.


    On earth, not heaven.

    Earthly kingdoms are not heavenly kingdoms as IP tries to blend them together as one and the same.




    The authors of God's word are not in two minds with two peoples and two programs and nonsense like that all day long even their sleep.

    the enthronement David foresaw was the resurection. There is no where else the grammar goes with 'seeing this.' In Greek, this has a case and it applies to the thing that fits that case in the diagramming of the sentence. And that's why Ps 2 is quoted as enthronement accomplished. there is no splitting head ache like you give people trying to preserve Chafer's two plans.
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    Show me the top secret scriptures, or is that just it--they are top secret?
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    Nope, IP did not address any of the scriptures, just more vain imaginations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    Show me the top secret scriptures, or is that just it--they are top secret?
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    Daniel 8
    9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

    10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

    11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

    12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.



    The abomination of desolation



    Daniel 9
    27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


    The abomination of desolation



    Daniel 11
    30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

    31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

    32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.


    The abomination of desolation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    What does that have to do with the rebellion that desolated Israel?
    200% made up.

    The desolation is OF THE TEMPLE. It is made desolate to make place for the abomination, an image.

    What is wrong with you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    Christ was the dispensation change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    So you send cartoons of 'play' buttons instead of scriptures. Wow they must really be something. STP is not allowed to tell RD, who is not allowed to print them out for me. Wow.
    It's not a "play button" dork.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    The list: http://theologyonline.com/entry.php?...quot-list-quot Great Bible software: http://www.theword.net/

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