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    Quote Originally Posted by TrevorL View Post
    Greetings again CherubRam, I do not believe that this "Book of Enoch" is inspired, and here actually this gives a wrong teaching.

    The fact that in Ezekiel the cherubim or living creatures had four faces each, and then in Revelation there was four individual living creatures, each one only having one face each, lion, calf, man and eagle is to me evidence that these creatures are symbolic beings, not depictions of real beings. They represent what the faithful will be in character, and centred in Christ who is the fullness of all these Divine characteristics.
    Ezekiel 1:5-6 (KJV): 5 Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man. 6 And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings.
    Revelation 4:6-8 (KJV): 6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. 7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.

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    Enoch was written by an unknown prophet. Enoch is part of the parable and not literally the person Enoch. Enoch is a inspired work, however, it has suffered from Gnostic corruptions entered into that work. The New Testament validates the book of Enoch.

    Hebrews 11:5
    By faith Enoch was transformed so that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had transformed him: for before his transformation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

    Jude 1:14
    And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

    Enoch Chapter 1: And he took up his parable and said -Enoch a righteous man, whose eyes were opened by God, saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, which the angels showed me, and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is 3 for to come. Concerning the elect I said, and took up my parable concerning them:

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    Quote Originally Posted by CherubRam View Post
    Hebrews 11:5
    By faith Enoch was transformed so that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had transformed him: for before his transformation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

    Jude 1:14
    And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

    Enoch Chapter 1: And he took up his parable and said -Enoch a righteous man, whose eyes were opened by God, saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, which the angels showed me, and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is 3 for to come. Concerning the elect I said, and took up my parable concerning them:
    1 Enoch 10:4 (R. H. Charles 1917)
    4. And again the Lord said to Raphael: 'Bind Azzl hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening in the desert, which is in Ddl, and cast him therein.

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe013.htm

    Matthew 22:13
    13 Then the king said to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and cast him out into the outer darkness: there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daqq View Post
    1 Enoch 10:4 (R. H. Charles 1917)
    4. And again the Lord said to Raphael: 'Bind Azzl hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening in the desert, which is in Ddl, and cast him therein.

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe013.htm

    Matthew 22:13
    13 Then the king said to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and cast him out into the outer darkness: there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth.
    Are you making a point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CherubRam View Post
    Are you making a point?
    It appears to be a direct quote to me, (minus the name).

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    Greetings again CherubRam,
    Quote Originally Posted by CherubRam View Post
    Enoch was written by an unknown prophet. Enoch is part of the parable and not literally the person Enoch. Enoch is a inspired work, however, it has suffered from Gnostic corruptions entered into that work.
    I do not accept that the Book of Enoch is inspired, and I consider that Jude is somehow alluding to a prophecy by the Enoch before the flood. How this was passed down and/or available in Jude's time is not known.
    The New Testament validates the book of Enoch.
    Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was transformed so that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had transformed him: for before his transformation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
    But this is speaking concerning the Enoch before the flood. He is not an unknown prophet and Hebrews 11:5 is quoting/alluding to the following:
    Genesis 5:21-24 (KJV): 21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselahe: 22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: 23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: 24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
    Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
    Here again Enoch is before the flood, the seventh from Adam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daqq View Post
    You probably meant to say four wings because it is obvious from Ezekiel, but anyway, the Cherubim have four wings, not two. And for the same reason sometimes they can be like a leopard with four wings in its curve, (the four quadrants of the four wings of the garment, like the Perushim, especially when the tzitzit are elongated for a public show, hehe, lol).
    No, it's from the Ark of covenant that cherubim have 2 wings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkins View Post
    No, it's from the Ark of covenant that cherubim have 2 wings.
    Perhaps it works the same way as the countenances or faces, (like the Cherubim in the Oracle).

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    Quote Originally Posted by daqq View Post
    The Cherubim have four faces, that is, countenances. Look in the mirror at any given time and you will see one of the four countenances, (perhaps depending on your mood, (hehe, lol)). But two of those countenances must breathe out his last, (die), for the Master has said, "All of you shall be offended in me this night: for it is written, I will smite the Shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered", (Mat 26:31) and the Prophet in that section continues, as it is written, "Awake, O sword, against My Shepherd, and against the one that is My fellow, says YHWH Tzabaoth: smite the Shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered; and I will turn My hand upon the little ones. And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, says YHWH, two parts therein shall be cut off and breathe his last, (die), but the third part shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on My name, and I will hear them, and I will say, It is My people! and they shall say, YHWH is my Elohim!" (Zec 13:7,8,9).

    Two faces or countenances must therefore die off along the Way; also, because Solomon made the Cherubim in the Oracle from olive tree or olive wood, (1Kings 6:23), it is necessary for you to become olive tree wood, (see Romans 11, (hehe)), and likewise because Solomon overlaid the Cherubim with fine gold having been tried in the fire, (1Kings 6:28), it is necessary for you to purchase from the Master the gold having been tried in the fire, (Rev 3:18, (hehe, lol)), that is, if you truly desire to enter into the holy most Holy place of the Oracle, (Heb 10:19,20, Heb 4:16, (by the new supernal Way, hehe)). And when the two countenances have died off and breathed out their last along the Way, and the third has been brought through the fire, and refined like silver, and tried as gold, then there will be two countenances left remaining: the face of a young lion, (Messiah who is with you until the consummation of your age), and the face of a man, (the new you, (hehe)), and you will be accounted a pillar in the Sanctuary of Elohim, and you will go no more out, (Rev 3:12, (hehe)). And you will stand between palm trees, indeed, a palm tree between two Cherubim: a Cherub and a palm tree, a Cherub and a palm tree, in the Sanctuary of Elohim, (Eze 41:18,19, (lol)).
    Amen. The Seraphim have 6 wings. The Seraphim are representative of a family, depicted in the menorah, with Christ as the central shaft/head. The branches are 3 pairs of 2, one pair each for the arms of husband, wife, and child. Two of those 4 do indeed have to die off, the kingdom of G-d is like a child, the father (adamic spirit) and mother (harlot soul) have to be replaced with Father and Mother from above, and the child is caught up to be with Christ forevermore, a child bride of an arranged marriage, arranged before the foundation. A candle set on a hill (false coverings of "father" and "mother" removed) is not easily hid.

    Until then, the serpent nature (adamic spirit, principality called sin/root) will always bite with the venom of sin (death) through the woman (harlot soul/fruit) who welcomes it with open arms, because her covering is of a like nature, and every TREE bears fruit after it's own kind. Peace

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    The Ark of Covenant the Cherubim have 2 wings, there is no relationship to the four on earth, later in heaven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RBBI View Post
    Amen. The Seraphim have 6 wings. The Seraphim are representative of a family, depicted in the menorah, with Christ as the central shaft/head. The branches are 3 pairs of 2, one pair each for the arms of husband, wife, and child. Two of those 4 do indeed have to die off, the kingdom of G-d is like a child, the father (adamic spirit) and mother (harlot soul) have to be replaced with Father and Mother from above, and the child is caught up to be with Christ forevermore, a child bride of an arranged marriage, arranged before the foundation. A candle set on a hill (false coverings of "father" and "mother" removed) is not easily hid.

    Until then, the serpent nature (adamic spirit, principality called sin/root) will always bite with the venom of sin (death) through the woman (harlot soul/fruit) who welcomes it with open arms, because her covering is of a like nature, and every TREE bears fruit after it's own kind. Peace
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    Quote Originally Posted by RBBI View Post
    Amen. The Seraphim have 6 wings. The Seraphim are representative of a family, depicted in the menorah, with Christ as the central shaft/head. The branches are 3 pairs of 2, one pair each for the arms of husband, wife, and child. Two of those 4 do indeed have to die off, the kingdom of G-d is like a child, the father (adamic spirit) and mother (harlot soul) have to be replaced with Father and Mother from above, and the child is caught up to be with Christ forevermore, a child bride of an arranged marriage, arranged before the foundation. A candle set on a hill (false coverings of "father" and "mother" removed) is not easily hid.

    Until then, the serpent nature (adamic spirit, principality called sin/root) will always bite with the venom of sin (death) through the woman (harlot soul/fruit) who welcomes it with open arms, because her covering is of a like nature, and every TREE bears fruit after it's own kind. Peace
    Hey friend!

    Matthew 10:34-39
    34 Think not that I am come to cast peace upon the land: I came not to bring peace, but a machaira,
    [sword of spiritual warfare, Rev 6:4].
    35 For I came to sever a man from his father, and the daughter from her mother, and the daughter in law from her mother in law:
    36 And the enemies of a man shall be those of his own household
    [Mic 7:5-6, Deut 13:5-10].
    37 The one loving father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and the one loving son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
    38 And the one not taking up his stake and following after me is not worthy of me.
    39 The one finding his soul shall destroy her; and the one destroying his soul for my sake shall find her.


    "The Spirit" -vs- "the Flesh"
    "Sarah-Israel" -vs- "Hagar-Egypt"
    "Isaac of the Promise" -vs- "Ishmael of the flesh"
    "Jacob (smooth skin)" -vs- "Esau (hairy twin-goat skin)"
    "Your heavenly Father" -vs- "Your father the devil"
    "Your mother-covenant Jerusalem of above" -vs- "Your mother of harlots of below"
    "Your inner son of the seed of the Word" -vs- "Your son of perdition" (Esau man (Judas))

    I recall a certain Levite who took a concubine from Bethlehem-Judah; and she played the harlot against him, and then fled away from him back to her father's house in Bethlehem-Judah. And her husband arose, and went after her, speaking kindly to her, to bring her back to him again, (for she was "like unto his own soul", lol). But as things worked out she ended up getting raped and pillaged, and died because of it, and there was war against Benjamin over this, and the whole tribe of Benjamin was nearly wiped out: for the Levite took his beloved soul and divided her up into twelve portions, (for she was dead, having been murdered by Sodomite Benjamites), and he divided and sent the twelve portions of his dead soul to the twelve tribes of Israel ruling over the twelve thrones.

    For as you well know, my friend, the kingdom of Elohim is within you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daqq View Post
    Hey friend!

    Matthew 10:34-39
    34 Think not that I am come to cast peace upon the land: I came not to bring peace, but a machaira,
    [sword of spiritual warfare, Rev 6:4].
    35 For I came to sever a man from his father, and the daughter from her mother, and the daughter in law from her mother in law:
    36 And the enemies of a man shall be those of his own household
    [Mic 7:5-6, Deut 13:5-10].
    37 The one loving father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and the one loving son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
    38 And the one not taking up his stake and following after me is not worthy of me.
    39 The one finding his soul shall destroy her; and the one destroying his soul for my sake shall find her.


    "The Spirit" -vs- "the Flesh"
    "Sarah-Israel" -vs- "Hagar-Egypt"
    "Isaac of the Promise" -vs- "Ishmael of the flesh"
    "Jacob (smooth skin)" -vs- "Esau (hairy twin-goat skin)"
    "Your heavenly Father" -vs- "Your father the devil"
    "Your mother-covenant Jerusalem of above" -vs- "Your mother of harlots of below"
    "Your inner son of the seed of the Word" -vs- "Your son of perdition" (Esau man (Judas))

    I recall a certain Levite who took a concubine from Bethlehem-Judah; and she played the harlot against him, and then fled away from him back to her father's house in Bethlehem-Judah. And her husband arose, and went after her, speaking kindly to her, to bring her back to him again, (for she was "like unto his own soul", lol). But as things worked out she ended up getting raped and pillaged, and died because of it, and there was war against Benjamin over this, and the whole tribe of Benjamin was nearly wiped out: for the Levite took his beloved soul and divided her up into twelve portions, (for she was dead, having been murdered by Sodomite Benjamites), and he divided and sent the twelve portions of his dead soul to the twelve tribes of Israel ruling over the twelve thrones.

    For as you well know, my friend, the kingdom of Elohim is within you.
    Amen, my shining friend. Fortunately for them the Master has set some about to gather up TWELVE baskets full of fragments in this hour, that nothing be wasted. Peace

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    Quote Originally Posted by RBBI View Post
    Amen, my shining friend. Fortunately for them the Master has set some about to gather up TWELVE baskets full of fragments in this hour, that nothing be wasted. Peace
    Hmmm, if five loaves of bread of life and two fish could feed five thousand, I wonder if twelve baskets full of remnant-fragments could feed a hundred and forty-four thousand parthenos-virgins and little ones?

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    Roflol.....I think it could. Yes, it definitely could. Excellent. Peace

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