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    What happened to the dinosaurs?

    Have you confused Adam with Alley-Opp?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLD_LTXRmDY

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    If echad can only mean "one" what is the Hebrew word for first?

    Would the number one be the first number?

    Maybe the scripture should read Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is first!
    Echad means "one". Period.
    "Rishon" means first.
    and before you ask, "yachid" means "only"

    If you are going to start on this "echad is some kind of plural unity"- don't bother. I have been through that many times. It is total nonsense. See how you use "one" in your own post, to describe "one people". Does one mean anything besides "one" in English, in that context? or course not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Can anyone prove Job was not a son of Issachar?

    "The sons of Issachar were Tola, Puvah, Job, and Shimron." (Genesis 46:13)
    "Job" in Genesis is spelled differently than in the Book of Job. And names get used by more than one person in any case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    How does this prove Job was not a son of Issachar?

    However, we know Job was a parable. (Job 27:1 KJV and Job 29:1 KJV)

    I suspect the parable was told to Moses at Mount Sinai.
    I went through that in my post. Feel free to read the whole thing.

    I suppose your ideas are as good as mine as to where the story came from. Moses might also have received the creation story and the flood story, and the Babel story, and the biography of Abraham from God in a mountain. But the most boring part of the bible, genealogies, speaks strongly against it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Derf View Post
    I went through that in my post. Feel free to read the whole thing.

    I suppose your ideas are as good as mine as to where the story came from. Moses might also have received the creation story and the flood story, and the Babel story, and the biography of Abraham from God in a mountain. But the most boring part of the bible, genealogies, speaks strongly against it.



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    Boring to you, but likely very important to people at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chair View Post
    Echad means "one". Period.
    "Rishon" means first.
    So according to you day one would not be the first day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chair View Post
    See how you use "one" in your own post, to describe "one people".
    Good point. In English "people" would mean more than one person, but you are saying that in Hebrew echad would mean only one person, right?

    What would be the Hebrew for united as in a man and woman becoming one flesh?

    In English we know that does not suggest one person, but rather a unity of two persons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Good point. In English "people" would mean more than one person, but you are saying that in Hebrew echad would mean only one person, right?

    What would be the Hebrew for united as in a man and woman becoming one flesh?

    In English we know that does not suggest one person, but rather a unity of two persons.
    There is nothing complicated about this. Echad is the same as "one" in English. One cow, one sheep. one.

    You are making a big deal and a confusion out of something that is very simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    So according to you day one would not be the first day?
    It says Day 1. That's what is says.
    It is a fair assumption that it was also the first day, but that is not what the text says.

    What in the world are you driving at?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post

    ...a man and woman becoming one flesh...
    What does the English word "one" mean in the above sentence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chair View Post
    What does the English word "one" mean in the above sentence?
    United.

    For example the United States is one nation, but not one person.

    In English, one flesh means united, two people joined as one.

    It looks like there is not a word in Hebrew for united.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    United.

    For example the United States is one nation, but not one person.

    In English, one flesh means united, two people joined as one.

    It looks like there is not a word in Hebrew for united.
    "one" means "united" because of the context. The same in Hebrew.

    But the plain word "one" still means 1. If you say in English "one cow", we know how many cows there are. You didn't mean "united cow". And if you say "one god" it mean 1 god. not "united god".

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    Quote Originally Posted by chair View Post
    It says Day 1. That's what is says.
    It is a fair assumption that it was also the first day, but that is not what the text says.
    In English we would not have to assume, day one would be the first day by definition.

    And one modifies a noun such as one team, one family, one kingdom, one whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chair View Post
    If you say in English "one cow", we know how many cows there are. You didn't mean "united cow".
    United cow doesn't make sense, instead we could say one herd, but a herd is not one cow.

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    In the Complete Jewish Bible it is written: "Sh'ma, Yisra'el! ADONAI Eloheinu, ADONAI echad."

    This is different from Genesis 22:2 JCB: "Take your son, your only son."

    The word "only" is yachid and means sole (only).

    Deuteronomy 6:4 uses echad not yachid.

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