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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Right, we cannot be judged until after we die.

    What do you believe is the penalty for sin?

    Did God tell Adam that if he sinned he would live forever?
    The wages of sin is death.....but the gift of God is eternal life...through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    It's pretty simple, isn't it? Why the need of speculation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Why do you say that?
    Because Paul told us.
    Jesus saves completely. http://www.climatedepot.com/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

    Titus 1

    For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

    Ephesians 5

    11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    The wages of sin is death.....but the gift of God is eternal life...through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    It's pretty simple, isn't it? Why the need of speculation?
    For the next question. Does death free a person from their sins?

    This is very simple, but seems to confuse many people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    For the next question. Does death free a person from their sins?

    This is very simple, but seems to confuse many people.
    No, many will die in their sins and will go into the judgment in their sins and be condemned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick M View Post
    Because Paul told us.
    Paul was not lawless.

    He said, "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death." (Romans 8:2)

    The Spirit's law freed him from a another law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    No, many will die in their sins and will go into the judgment in their sins and be condemned.
    Wrong.

    "For he who has died has been freed from sin." (Romans 6:7)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Wrong.

    "For he who has died has been freed from sin." (Romans 6:7)
    So, you are going to trust in that? "It is appointed unto man to die and after that the judgement" Hebrews 9:27.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    So, you are going to trust in that? "It is appointed unto man to die and after that the judgement" Hebrews 9:27.
    Everyone except Jesus has sinned. The penalty given for sin is death. Once the penalty is paid it's gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    For the next question. Does death free a person from their sins?

    This is very simple, but seems to confuse many people.
    They die in their sins. That's why they must receive the gift of God which is eternal life (before they die in their sins).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Wrong.

    "For he who has died has been freed from sin." (Romans 6:7)
    This is an example of why it's important to know the difference between physical death, death to sin, and spiritual death. You just can't seem to get any of these verses to agree, can you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Paul was not lawless.

    He said, "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death." (Romans 8:2)

    The Spirit's law freed him from a another law.
    Now you have to understand the difference between laws. You just changed the law of the Spirit of LIFE in Christ Jesus to the "Spirit's law". That isn't the way to get to the bottom of these matters, Jamie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Paul was not lawless.
    Strawman. Come back when you want to address the point about not being under the law. Lawless refers to actions, not a state of being.
    Jesus saves completely. http://www.climatedepot.com/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

    Titus 1

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Now you have to understand the difference between laws. You just changed the law of the Spirit of LIFE in Christ Jesus to the "Spirit's law". That isn't the way to get to the bottom of these matters, Jamie.
    Are you saying the law of the Spirit is not the Spirit's law?

    Yes, Jesus lived by the law of the Spirit. The Spirit is our Father.

    The Father expects us to conform to his law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    They die in their sins.
    After they die have they then paid for their sins?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Are you saying the law of the Spirit is not the Spirit's law?

    Yes, Jesus lived by the law of the Spirit. The Spirit is our Father.

    The Father expects us to conform to his law.
    Well, you can certainly think whatever you like, but you'll have to do some serious scripture twisting to make it work out for you. As you've clearly done already here in this thread.

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