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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    lol - I know a whole lot about the NT.
    Wind, earthquake, and fire....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    lol - I know a whole lot about the NT.

    Must mean I'm about two thousand years old.

    Next you'll be telling me the day and month of my birthday
    12/25/61?
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    I heard you're 26 years old
    Older.

    Proverbs 18:17 He that is first in his own cause seemeth just; but his neighbour cometh and searcheth him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    Danoh knows a lot about 70s television. I would put him at 56 years old.
    Older.

    Proverbs 18:17 He that is first in his own cause seemeth just; but his neighbour cometh and searcheth him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Yet you negate the "pray with the spirit" part....too mystical for you?

    No, Danoh, you're just so intent on sounding right that you ignore the fact that the Spirit does, indeed, open our understanding. Like others, I have read verses for years when suddenly a deeper and greater meaning is opened to my understanding. I wouldn't trade all the head knowledge in the world or all the hours about "how to study" for even one moment of truth as revealed by the Spirit. For that still small voice....


    You may have the great wind, and the earthquake, and the fire....but the Lord is not there.

    1 Kings 19:11-13
    And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the Lord. And, behold, the Lord passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the Lord; but the Lord was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the Lord was not in the earthquake: And after the earthquake a fire; but the Lord was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice. And it was so, when Elijah heard it, that he wrapped his face in his mantle, and went out, and stood in the entering in of the cave. And, behold, there came a voice unto him, and said, What doest thou here, Elijah?
    That's just you in your ignorance of your obvious mysticism.

    To pray with the spirit merely refers to using one's mind objectively; to pray with one's understanding.

    As usual, you miss the obvious - how that the Scripture often defines what it is actually referring to by repeating it in different words - often in a same passage.

    He was referring to "the mind of the spirit."

    Which is where one minds a thing from. As in "I've a mind to" this and that...

    Do a word and thematic study on it - in the Scripture (words and similar words, phrases, and themes).

    While, I am at it; thanks for your challenge.

    For though it is obvious that you continue to conclude this is about pride for me; I find that having to reflect on these things once more, in response to your view, a worthwhile endeavor.

    Puts me back in the Word, studying these things out anew, and rejoicing in them all over again and in what new found further understandings and rejoicing that often results in.

    Thus, my often citing of Prov. 27:17.

    Try heeding Rom. 12:1-3, instead of merely paying it lip service. Yours is a personal issue with me.

    That is your loss, not mine; for I continue not only free of that kind of thing but able to learn from you, as a result, where you have something time in the Scripture then shows me was sound.

    Rom. 5:8
    Acts 17:11,12

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    12/25/61?
    lol - not even Ms Birthday announcements knows that one

    Rom. 5:8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Older.
    As a so called moderator, you ought to know better than posting any of that one-way or the other.

    Just shows how petty you actually are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    As a so called moderator, you ought to know better than posting any of that one-way or the other.

    Just shows how petty you actually are.
    You sure are wrong a lot.

    Proverbs 18:17 He that is first in his own cause seemeth just; but his neighbour cometh and searcheth him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    That's just you in your ignorance of your obvious mysticism.

    To pray with the spirit merely refers to using one's mind objectively; to pray with one's understanding.

    As usual, you miss the obvious - how that the Scripture often defines what it is actually referring to by repeating it in different words - often in a same passage.

    He was referring to "the mind of the spirit."

    Which is where one minds a thing from. As in "I've a mind to" this and that...

    Do a word and thematic study on it - in the Scripture (words and similar words, phrases, and themes).

    While, I am at it; thanks for your challenge.

    For though it is obvious that you continue to conclude this is about pride for me; I find that having to reflect on these things once more, in response to your view, a worthwhile endeavor.

    Puts me back in the Word, studying these things out anew, and rejoicing in them all over again and in what new found further understandings and rejoicing that often results in.

    Thus, my often citing of Prov. 27:17.

    Try heeding Rom. 12:1-3, instead of merely paying it lip service. Yours is a personal issue with me.

    That is your loss, not mine; for I continue not only free of that kind of thing but able to learn from you, as a result, where you have something time in the Scripture then shows me was sound.

    Rom. 5:8
    Acts 17:11,12
    Your mental gymnastics are getting closer to mind boggling with each passing day, Danoh, my lad. You put me in mind of a new believer and his desire to teach. Such exuberance.

    Save your "explanations" for those who have a desire to learn about God from Bible College. I remain unimpressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    lol - I know a whole lot about the NT.

    Must mean I'm about two thousand years old.

    Next you'll be telling me the day and month of my birthday
    Why so shy about sharing your birthday?
    1 Corinthians 15:1-2 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV -


    Colossians 1:13-14 KJV - Colossians 1:15-16 KJV - Colossians 1:17-18 KJV -

    Colossians 1:19-20 KJV - Colossians 1:21-22 KJV - Colossians 1:23 KJV -

    Colossians 1:25-26 KJV 27, 28, 29 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Ephesians 1:12-13, 14 -



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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    Why so shy about sharing your birthday?
    This is a public forum.

    In this age of the ease of identity theft, the less such have access to, the more difficult their intent, should such succeed in their hacking efforts.

    One would think "things that differ" experts would know to apply the principle to all areas of life, not just "the Bible."



    Rom. 5:8

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Your mental gymnastics are getting closer to mind boggling with each passing day, Danoh, my lad. You put me in mind of a new believer and his desire to teach. Such exuberance.

    Save your "explanations" for those who have a desire to learn about God from Bible College. I remain unimpressed.
    I'm not in the least bit surprised you three concluded I am trying to impress any of you.

    That is your actual value system. The value system of this world.

    You're nobodies. We all are.

    Christ alone is all.

    Oy vey, but you and yours are stuck in the value system of this world.

    Out to impress any of you?



    There really is no point in addressing any of you on this - you're too entrenched in this world's values to see you are.

    Rom. 5:8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    I'm not in the least bit surprised you three concluded I am trying to impress any of you.

    That is your actual value system. The value system of this world.

    You're nobodies. We all are.

    Christ alone is all.

    Oy vey, but you and yours are stuck in the value system of this world.

    Out to impress any of you?



    There really is no point in addressing any of you on this - you're too entrenched in this world's values to see you are.

    Rom. 5:8
    Great, run along little pretender. You have nothing worth sharing.

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    Found this article with chart by Pastor Bob Hill.

    Homework!!!!




    Second Coming Confusion

    When is the second coming? In about AD 50, Paul implied that he thought he would be alive when the rapture took place. 1 Th 4:15 " For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep." Then, in approximately 57 AD, the Apostle Paul thought it was soon. 1 Co 7:29 " But this I say, brethren, the time is short, so that from now on even those who have wives should be as though they had none." About the same time, James thought it was soon. Jam 5:8 " You also be patient. Establish your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is at hand." The Apostle John thought it was the last hour in about AD 70. 1 Jo 2:18 " Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour." When he wrote Revelation, he quoted Christ, Rev 22:7 " Behold, I am coming quickly! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book."

    The prophet, Montanus, in the 2nd century, predicted the soon bodily return of Christ. Novatian, in the 3rd century, expected the second coming of the Lord Jesus. The sack of Rome in the 5th century by the Vandals was supposed to bring the end. Pope Gregory, in the sixth century, told the Christian world that " of all the signs [describing] . . . the end of the world[,] some . . .[are] already accomplished. . . . we do not behold signs in the sun and moon and stars but . . . these are not far off . . ." On the last day of 999, the old basilica of St. Peter's at Rome was thronged with a mass of weeping and trembling worshipers awaiting the end of the world. There were repeated warnings in the dark ages.

    Martin Luther wrote in January of 1532, " The last day is at hand. My calendar has run out." Many Adventists predicted the second coming in the 1840's. Dahl, in The Midnight Cry, predicted this era would end by 1980. Many predicted the rapture would take place in 1988 because it was 40 years after the reestablishment of Israel as a nation in 1948. Edgar Whisenant gave 88 reasons why in it would be in 1988. When it didn't happen, he then said it would take place in 1989. At one time I thought we could know the year of the rapture by figuring out the beginning of the 1000 years and subtract 7 years. But who can be sure when the millennium will begin?

    A Korean group placed a large newspaper ad in many papers predicting the rapture would take place October 28, 1992. Grant Jeffrey says it will be 2000. What do you think?

    The next thing that will happen is the rapture. 2 The 2:1-4 " Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition."

    That will start a sequence of many prophetic events which are displayed in the following chart:

    Eschatology – from Now to Eternity

    Grace

    The rapture ends this dispensation



    2 Th 2:3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition.

    1 Co 15:51,52

    Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorrupt-ible, and we shall be changed.
    Tribulation

    The beginning of the Lord's Day

    Mat 24:21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.

    Dan 9:27a And he will strengthen a covenant with the many for one heptad; and at the midpoint of the heptad he will stop sacrifice and grain offering.

    Dan 12:11a And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, one thousand two hundred and ninety days.

    Great & Awesome Day of the Lord

    After the tribulation

    Acts 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.

    Mat 24:29,30

    Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
    Judgment

    Sheep and goat nations judged.

    Mat 25:31,32 When the Son of Man comes in His glory and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.


    CHART CONTINUED......



    1,000 year reign

    Tribulation martyrs reign with Christ

    Rev 20:4,6 Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

    Satan Loosed

    After 1,000 years

    Gog and Magog

    Rev 20:7-9 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.

    Great White Throne

    The rest of the dead are judged.

    Rev 20:11-15 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it . . . 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 . . . And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

    New Heaven and Earth

    Israel's kingdom is established

    Rev 21:1,3,27; 22:5 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. . . . 3 Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. . . . 27 only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life. 22:5 And they shall reign forever and ever.



    Robert T. HillÊ 1998



    Then the tribulation. The rapture is before the tribulation because nothing in this dispensation is prophesied. Eph 3:8,9 " To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, 9 and to make all see what is the dispensation of the mystery, which has been hidden from ages in God who created all things through Jesus Christ." That's what we call the nature of the mystery. Israel was identified as the people of the tribulation by Daniel (Dan 9:24; 10:14; 12:1). Our Lord Jesus Christ mentioned Daniel's abomination of desolation (Dan 9:27; 11:31) in the tribulation's setting (Mat 24:15-21).

    The purpose of the tribulation is to purify Israel for her kingdom reign (Dan 9:24; Zec 13:9). In fact, in Jer 30:7, the tribulation is specifically called a time of tribulation for Jacob. Therefore, a tribulation which is specifically designated for Israel is irrelevant to the church which is His body.

    Since the nature of the mystery shows us that the body of Christ is never referred to in biblical prophecy prior to Paul's conversion, we can make some conclusions about when it occurs. They are:

    A. Prophecy about the people in the tribulation would not refer to the body of Christ.

    B. Prophecy about the day of the Lord would not apply to the body of Christ.

    C. Prophecy about the people under the wrath of God would not apply to the body of Christ.

    Therefore, the rapture, since it only applies to the body of Christ, must take place prior to the prophetic program which follows it for the next 1,007 years. Then the great and awesome day of the Lord is next. This is what is normally called the second coming. Then the judgment of the nations takes place. Then the millennial reign of Christ begins. Then Satan is loosed. Then the great white throne judgment takes place. Then the new heavens and earth are established. And so shall we ever be with the Lord. Come, Lord Jesus.


    Please forgive any formatting errors. This report was originally created for a different format.


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