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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    Can anyone translate this:

    Hi and there are 8 verbs , that describe the action of Luke 13:35 and you are no where , with its interpretation !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by northwye View Post
    Most dispensationalists won't be led out of their theology by insights into scriptures which show that theology to be false in the light of scripture. They are locked into their theology, though a few do come out of it. The Holy Spirit has to lead them out of their following of τεκνα της σαρκος, the children of the flesh, Romans 9: 8, or Israel of the flesh, and realizing that the Gospel is about the transformation of the children of the flesh into the οικος πνευματικος, spiritual house of I Peter 2: 5, that metamorphosis being done only in Christ and through his resurrection, with Christ in you (Colossians 1: 27, Philippians 2: 5)
    Perhaps we need intensive therapy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    Perhaps we need intensive therapy...
    My moderate to severe insistent indoctrination from Covenantal, Replacement Theological Preterists is not taking hold.

    Maybe they need to turn it up a notch.
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post
    My moderate to severe insistent indoctrination from Covenantal, Replacement Theological Preterists is not taking hold.

    Maybe they need to turn it up a notch.
    I suggest electric shock treatment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    V21 points out the mentality of the mostly zealot-raised disciples: "we had hoped..." This hope for a monarchy was mistaken all along, but in case our D'ist friends need a proof, this is where their minds are , not Christ's. Christ never was there.

    The transition is from what Judaism thought God would do to what God did in Christ.

    the 'hope' in "we had hoped" is also what they mean by the redemption of Israel. This is a rather explosive expression at the time. I don't think for a minute that the true believer's songs at the beginning of Luke were about a monarchy when they mention the 'redemption' or 'salvation' of Israel, because they explain that it was the forgiveness of sins, accessed by faith like Abraham, sounding much like Gal 3.

    We also see that the crucifixion of another 'social' or 'political' leader was the last thing they thought would happen (in their zealot-based minds) and that's why their faces were downcast to have to tell the whole account again, v18.

    Then we find out the truth in Christ. I have complained in other cases that D'ism takes expressions and things in a narrative and generates universal doctrines from those lines. They might do this, for ex., in Acts 2 about a kingdom offer, etc.

    But in the case of Lk 24, the person who would clear up a narrative declaration (where Christ was absent) is present. Christ is actually here in ch 24, telling them that they were slow to believe and foolish about the OT. This means that all of this had been taught to them from the beginning (that's 'from the beginning' as found in I Jn 1:1, not Jn 1--contact with Jesus).

    The important thing is it is BEFORE the 40 day seminar. Not after. He's saying that they should have known from his teaching all through the ministry that what he was REPEATING here was true: the suffering of Christ and entering his glory (in the resurrection). All through Moses and the Prophets. This was obviously repetition, and there is obviously no reference to the 'canceled deal' about the monarchy.

    Hi and the reason they , the Jews were SLOW TO BELIEVE is because of 2 Cor 3:13-16 , as a VAIL covered there HEART , even UNTIL even Paul's earthly ministry , don't you see !!

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    dan, if what you said was true no one in acts 2 ( over 3000 ) or Acts 4( 5000 ) people would have got saved so obviously you are wrong.
    Heb 4:2
    For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    dan, if what you said was true no one in acts 2 ( over 3000 ) or Acts 4( 5000 ) people would have got saved so obviously you are wrong.
    Such as should be saved...
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