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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    There's Bluster, tooting his own horn, bragging and boasting, condemning all of TOL
    As usual I am tooting the horn of the author and sustainer of my salvation and His truth. As usual you have a problem with the grace I have been allotted. You are most certainly of the line of Cain and the more certain you become that the sacrifices you present are unacceptable the more anger you display.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    I don't have a responsibility or duty to "believe" the word of Elohim. I trust Him and His word, unto myself and all the saints, implicitly. This is a spiritual endowment that you couldn't possibly comprehend. Whatever you do is a responsibility or duty, for us* it is as natural as breathing.

    You have a speculative notion of Messiah, and a barren notion of grace.


    us* The redeemed, regenerate and repentant sinners.
    So you are not a believer.

    Well that explains a lot.

    You have not then done Romans 10:9 especially the second half, "believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead"

    You, finding it not necessary to believe, have not believed that God raised Jesus from the dead. If you have not believed that God raised the lord Jesus from the dead, then you are not saved.

    Have a few verses here:


    Acts 2:44
    And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

    Acts 4:4
    Howbeit many of them which heard the word believed; and the number of the men was about five thousand.

    Acts 4:32
    And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

    But you don't need to believe?

    Acts 13:39
    And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

    Acts 14:1
    And it came to pass in Iconium, that they went both together into the synagogue of the Jews, and so spake, that a great multitude both of the Jews and also of the Greeks believed.

    Acts 14:23
    And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.

    Acts 15:7

    And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.


    Acts 17:5

    But the Jews which believed not, moved with envy, took unto them certain lewd fellows of the baser sort, and gathered a company, and set all the city on an uproar, and assaulted the house of Jason, and sought to bring them out to the people.

    Acts 18:8
    And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.


    Acts 27:25 Wherefore, sirs, be of good cheer: for I believe God, that it shall be even as it was told me.

    Acts 28:24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.

    Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

    Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

    Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

    Romans 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

    That is a brief sample of learning about believing God, that it is absolutely necessary.
    "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

    "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

    Pro scripture = Protestant

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    The goats will enjoy your confused mess, but the Lambs will be led into green pastures.
    Bluster can't stand the competition. He thinks his OP's are the best thing since Mom's Apple Pie and no other can even come close.

    Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    As usual you have a problem with the grace I have been allotted.
    God's Grace, the shed blood, has been "allotted" to all men as a Gift....we access that grace through faith. No one has a problem with you having some special allotment...there is no such thing.


    Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    God's Grace, the shed blood, has been "allotted" to all men as a Gift....we access that grace through faith. No one has a problem with you having some special allotment...there is no such thing.


    Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
    Yes, "APPEARED" on earth in the Person of Jesus Christ, who died only for the Elect the Father gave Him to redeem.

    "Appeared" does not mean "anointed" or "gifted" or "alotted."

    If Christ did not die for any particular soul, that soul is left in their sins and knows no grace.

    His atonement was not universal, and neither is His grace bestowed universally.
    "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

    " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
    Gordon H. Clark

    "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
    Charles Spurgeon

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    Quote Originally Posted by oatmeal View Post
    So you are not a believer.

    Well that explains a lot.

    You have not then done Romans 10:9 especially the second half, "believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead"

    You, finding it not necessary to believe, have not believed that God raised Jesus from the dead. If you have not believed that God raised the lord Jesus from the dead, then you are not saved.

    Have a few verses here:


    Acts 2:44
    And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

    Acts 4:4
    Howbeit many of them which heard the word believed; and the number of the men was about five thousand.

    Acts 4:32
    And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

    But you don't need to believe?

    Acts 13:39
    And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

    Acts 14:1
    And it came to pass in Iconium, that they went both together into the synagogue of the Jews, and so spake, that a great multitude both of the Jews and also of the Greeks believed.

    Acts 14:23
    And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.

    Acts 15:7

    And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.


    Acts 17:5

    But the Jews which believed not, moved with envy, took unto them certain lewd fellows of the baser sort, and gathered a company, and set all the city on an uproar, and assaulted the house of Jason, and sought to bring them out to the people.

    Acts 18:8
    And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.


    Acts 27:25 Wherefore, sirs, be of good cheer: for I believe God, that it shall be even as it was told me.

    Acts 28:24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.

    Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

    Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

    Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

    Romans 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

    That is a brief sample of learning about believing God, that it is absolutely necessary.

    You use scriptures as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nang View Post
    Yes, "APPEARED" on earth in the Person of Jesus Christ, who died only for the Elect the Father gave Him to redeem.

    "Appeared" does not mean "anointed" or "gifted" or "alotted."

    If Christ did not die for any particular soul, that soul is left in their sins and knows no grace.

    His atonement was not universal, and neither is His grace bestowed universally.
    On the contrary, the blood was shed for the sins of the world.....which reconciled all men to God (when we were sinners).

    We are saved (given life) when we access that grace through faith.

    Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    On the contrary, the blood was shed for the sins of the world.....which reconciled all men to God (when we were sinners).

    We are saved (given life) when we access that grace through faith.

    Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
    "We" is not the world at large, as even empirical evidence proves. And there is no "we" who chooses to willfully access grace.

    You parrot the false Pelagian (Arminian) gospel of free-will, works-righteousness, which is not salvation according to God's grace, at all.
    "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

    " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
    Gordon H. Clark

    "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
    Charles Spurgeon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nang View Post
    "We" is not the world at large, as even empirical evidence proves. And there is no "we" who chooses to willfully access grace.

    You parrot the false Pelagian (Arminian) gospel of free-will, works-righteousness, which is not salvation according to God's grace, at all.
    I'm just quoting the Scripture, Nang. I realize you like to make up your own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    You use scriptures as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination.
    Truster,

    Thanks for offering an opinion.

    It is clear from scripture that believing God does not stop with receiving the gift of salvation.

    I Timothy 2:4

    Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

    and

    Ephesians 2:8-10

    For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

    9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

    We are God's workmanship, and as His workmanship, God says we should walk in the works which God foreordained for each believer.

    We should, it is not up to God, it is up to us.

    We should, but will we?

    It is not up to God to force us to, it is up to us to decide to walk in those works.

    Will we walk in those works?

    Maybe we can't yet envision that yet.

    Yet we can decide that we want to, even though we may not yet know how to.

    As we learn to come to the knowledge of the truth, we will learn step by step, a little here and a little there, line by line, precept by precept, what God expects of us, and how to do it.

    Most certainly, there will be challenges for us to overcome, but God's word teaches us how to overcome the world, the opposition to our believing and be victorious for God
    "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

    "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

    Pro scripture = Protestant

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    Quote Originally Posted by oatmeal View Post
    Truster,

    Thanks for offering an opinion.

    It is clear from scripture that believing God does not stop with receiving the gift of salvation.

    I Timothy 2:4

    Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

    and

    Ephesians 2:8-10

    For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

    9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

    We are God's workmanship, and as His workmanship, God says we should walk in the works which God foreordained for each believer.

    We should, it is not up to God, it is up to us.

    We should, but will we?

    It is not up to God to force us to, it is up to us to decide to walk in those works.

    Will we walk in those works?

    Maybe we can't yet envision that yet.

    Yet we can decide that we want to, even though we may not yet know how to.

    As we learn to come to the knowledge of the truth, we will learn step by step, a little here and a little there, line by line, precept by precept, what God expects of us, and how to do it.

    Most certainly, there will be challenges for us to overcome, but God's word teaches us how to overcome the world, the opposition to our believing and be victorious for God
    I REPEAT:

    You use scriptures as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Having received the gift of salvation, like any gift, we must learn to use is per the instructions if we are to receive any, let alone, the full benefits of it in the here and now.

    Since that gift of salvation is also referred to in other terms, it is helpful and instructive to find out how else God refers to the gift of salvation.

    Gift of eternal life, Romans 6:23

    Being born again of incorruptible seed, by the word of God which lives and abides forever. I Peter 1:23

    The gift of holy spirit from the Holy Spirit. I John 4:13, Acts 2:38
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    Quote Originally Posted by oatmeal View Post
    Having received the gift of salvation, like any gift, we must learn to use is per the instructions if we are to receive any, let alone, the full benefits of it.

    Since that gift of salvation is also referred to in other terms, it is helpful and instructive to find out how else God refers to the gift of salvation.

    Gift of eternal life, Romans 6:23

    Being born again of incorruptible seed, by the word of God which lives and abides forever. I Peter 1:23

    The gift of holy spirit from the Holy Spirit. I John 4:13, Acts 2:38
    Salvation by works.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    Salvation by works.
    Show your sacrificial faith without your evil works and I'll show you actual faith through good works.

    All is work unless you literally do nothing.

    You running around calling everyone stupid is a work.... You should study scripture and see what sort of working is, and what will be recompensed for such acts.



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    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
    Show your sacrificial faith without your evil works and I'll show you actual faith through good works.

    All is work unless you literally do nothing.

    You running around calling everyone stupid is a work.... You should study scripture and see what sort of working is, and what will be recompensed for such acts.



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    The TOL statement of faith says, "Christ commands His followers to rebuke and to judge with righteous judgment and to forgive those who repent."

    I rebuke and judge, deal with it.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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