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    Quote Originally Posted by intojoy View Post
    Do you know where the g spot on a faggot is? Right at the tip of a pile of crap
    This stuff must swirl around inside your mind...... perpetually.

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    This stuff must swirl around inside your mind...... perpetually.
    Well, got you laughing


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    Quote Originally Posted by eider View Post
    Gays are not the ones to define the term 'marriage'.
    Governments and religions are doing that.

    Like could happen today.
    The Scottish Episcopal Church leaders are meeting in Edinburgh today to debate and vote on the question of 'should this church accept gay marriages?'
    It could vote against the proposal, but the mere fact that it is meeting to make such a vote should show you how many Creeds and Churches are moving towards gay marriage.
    Creeds and churches have fallen away from the authoritative teaching of scripture: they are mere man made entities, and their acceptance of gay marriage never justifies the practice or change the true traditional meaning of marriage.

    Governments and some churches are responding to the gay movement for marriage equality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyStan View Post
    Creeds and churches have fallen away from the authoritative teaching of scripture: they are mere man made entities, and their acceptance of gay marriage never justifies the practice or change the true traditional meaning of marriage.
    But that's just your 'man-made' opinion.
    And so Christianity is moving towards the light, whilst you will be left hiding in the darkness.

    Governments and some churches are responding to the gay movement for marriage equality.
    Excellent!
    You got something right.
    And Jesus would not object to this at all.
    ....or can you quote from the words of Jesus to the contrary? I think not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidK View Post
    Let's be real. It's actually about the person you wish to spend your life having sex with, and having everyone recognize it as legit.
    Is that why your parents got married?

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    Quote Originally Posted by glassjester View Post
    But that's different!
    It was also a crime to teach blacks to read and for women to own property.

    Do you miss those days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrDante View Post
    It was also a crime to teach blacks to read and for women to own property.

    Do you miss those days?
    Yes


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    So the only reason ANY couple marries is so that others see their private, sexual relationship as legit. Do you find that a decent reason for heterosexuals to marry?Good thing love has nothing to do with marriage.
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    It's God's way, that's why. It's just that simple

    Love is not about sex, marriage is.

    We should love everyone, but we should not have sex with all of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusha View Post
    Sin is a religious concept.
    No, it is not. You are against abortion - sin. You are against murder - sin.
    Sexual predation is sin. See RightDivider just ▲above▲ me too.

    You really need to re-think God in your life, Rusha. He is there, never silent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eider View Post
    But that's just your 'man-made' opinion.
    And so Christianity is moving towards the light, whilst you will be left hiding in the darkness.
    ....

    Quote Originally Posted by eider View Post
    Excellent!
    You got something right.
    And Jesus would not object to this at all.
    ....or can you quote from the words of Jesus to the contrary? I think not.
    Romans 1:28,32

    Go figure a worldly man thinking he's a Christian
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lon View Post
    No, it is not. You are against abortion - sin. You are against murder - sin.
    Sexual predation is sin. See RightDivider just ▲above▲ me too.

    You really need to re-think God in your life, Rusha. He is there, never silent.
    Rusha was right.
    Breaking any of the laws of Moses could cause sickness, weakness, break down in tribe cohesion etc. Keeping the laws of Moses, any of the laws, including the 96 sacrificial laws, lead to a stronger, healthier, closer, more successful nation.

    To break the laws (sin) lead to sickness. But Jesus repealed over 100 of these laws, and so you cannot hold on to them all now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eider View Post
    Rusha was right.
    Breaking any of the laws of Moses could cause sickness, weakness, break down in tribe cohesion etc. Keeping the laws of Moses, any of the laws, including the 96 sacrificial laws, lead to a stronger, healthier, closer, more successful nation.
    Congratulations. You are a humanist, not a Christian. A Rationalist, not a man of faith. Why? Because you major on "Love man" and minor on "Love God." It is just secular humanism dressed up and hopeful of an ideal you like to call "Christianity." You and I will only have one master. We cannot undo scriptures.

    Quote Originally Posted by eider View Post
    To break the laws (sin) lead to sickness. But Jesus repealed over 100 of these laws, and so you cannot hold on to them all now.
    Nope. This again is secular humanism against Biblical and Spiritual understanding. Liberal churches are cults, not Christians. I come from that background. There is no 'loving your neighbor' if you choose against what is 'best' for them. It is just secular humanism with pie-in-the-sky ideals. It isn't Christianity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    so you think the government should have no role to play in controlling sexual behavior?
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    Just what role would the government play in controlling sexual behavior between consenting adults in a nation of 330 million Americans?
    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    Only 4% of which are gay
    "Ok doser" did not specify as to whether the "government should have no role to play in controlling sexual behaviour" that was straight, gay or otherwise!

    Even if government were to limit itself to controlling sexual behaviour among gays, that still represents approximately 9 to 10 million Americans!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lon
    Congratulations. You are a humanist, not a Christian. A Rationalist, not a man of faith. Why? Because you major on "Love man" and minor on "Love God." It is just secular humanism dressed up and hopeful of an ideal you like to call "Christianity." You and I will only have one master. We cannot undo scriptures.
    Funny that you think you get to decide what 'Christianity TM' is. Add in your naive and simplistic, not to mention selective, understanding of scripture, completely devoid of both any form of contemporary theological thinking and willfully ignorant of every form of well established historical-critical biblical scholarship. That aside, your view of the scriptures would have had to condemn the New testament when it was new and fresh. You enjoy the benefit of being so far away the canonization of the New testament that you unproblematically just assume its scripture. That of course wasn't obvious for the early church. Given your scriptural hermeneutic, you would have to exclude it. None of the evangelists employ these simplistic literalist readings of the scriptures, they employ obvious typological and allegorical readings of scripture, readings that are indefensible with a literalist approach to scripture (Case in point: Matthew's application of the Old testament to portray Christ as the fulfilment of Old testament prophecies).

    Nope. This again is secular humanism against Biblical and Spiritual understanding. Liberal churches are cults, not Christians. I come from that background. There is no 'loving your neighbor' if you choose against what is 'best' for them. It is just secular humanism with pie-in-the-sky ideals. It isn't Christianity.
    Once again, you just assume the power of definition. He disagrees with me, so not only must he be a liberal. I suspect your actual understanding and knowledge of liberal theology is close to zero, it is just an empty demonizing label used by anti-intellectual groups within American forms of modern Christianity today. Of course, feel free to actually provide an intellectually informed criticism liberal Christianity by providing us with an intelligent criticism of the theological method of Friedrich Schleiermacher and the principles and results of modern biblical scholarship that isn't just a regression to fideism and anti-intellectualism.

    And how is he secular? Humanist perhaps, but humanism can be Christian. 'Spiritual understanding' seems to just be a nicer phrase for fideism and anti-intellectual forms of religion. 'Biblical understanding' is incoherent (see above), or mostly just a hollow power rhetoric on your part, that attempts to label your opponents as heretics and unbelievers tout court.

    All in all, typical of the theologically vapid forms of religion you find in so much of evangelical Christianity today, which implicitly claims that ceasing to think is an all important Christian virtue.

    Quote Originally Posted by glassjester
    Take away the physical aspect of the relationship, and there's no difference between a married couple and life-long roommates.
    That is just ridiculous. How about their physical relationship being an expression of a loving relationship. A loving relationship isn't reducible to that of two roommates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selaphiel View Post
    Funny that you think you get to decide what 'Christianity TM' is.
    No, not funny at all. A Christian FOLLOWS Christ. If you don't, or have people as more important, you aren't. It is as simple as that. Sorry to burst that little bubble.


    Quote Originally Posted by Selaphiel View Post
    Add in your naive and simplistic, not to mention selective, understanding of scripture, completely devoid of both any form of contemporary theological thinking and willfully ignorant of every form of well established historical-critical biblical scholarship.
    IOW, Humanism. Yeah, that isn't "Christ"ianity. It is "Human"ism, political, and secular. You can call yourself a duck after that. Just because one quacks, does not a duck make. ONLY God can make a Christian.


    That aside, your view of the scriptures would have had to condemn the New testament when it was new and fresh. You enjoy the benefit of being so far away the canonization of the New testament that you unproblematically just assume its scripture.
    It is much more confirmed than that, but you are correct, "Unproblematic."

    That of course wasn't obvious for the early church. Given your scriptural hermeneutic, you would have to exclude it. None of the evangelists employ these simplistic literalist readings of the scriptures, they employ obvious typological and allegorical readings of scripture, readings that are indefensible with a literalist approach to scripture (Case in point: Matthew's application of the Old testament to portray Christ as the fulfilment of Old testament prophecies).
    Says the secular humanist bible corrector. Such is NOT Christianity because you have nobody to follow. A Christian follow Christ. Where do you learn or know about Him? --> Scriptures. A Christian esteems scriptures as the source of his Christianity. Not into them? --> Not a Christian then. Sorry, you are more a John Lennonian than a Christian at that point. All you need is love. It is secular humanism, NOT Christianity. Simply say "I love the Beatles" and leave it at that.


    Once again, you just assume the power of definition.
    Of course. Christianity, by definition, has Christ at the pinnacle. There is NO place else we find Him other than in Scriptures. There is not sense anyone is a Christian without Christ as the center of his/her being.
    Perhaps "Christianish" or "somewhat associated" would be better labels for you


    He disagrees with me, so not only must he be a liberal. I suspect your actual understanding and knowledge of liberal theology is close to zero, it is just an empty demonizing label used by anti-intellectual groups within American forms of modern Christianity today. Of course, feel free to actually provide an intellectually informed criticism liberal Christianity by providing us with an intelligent criticism of the theological method of Friedrich Schleiermacher and the principles and results of modern biblical scholarship that isn't just a regression to fideism and anti-intellectualism.
    Grew up in that church. Dead bones are dead bones. I'm WELL acquainted. There is no sense they are Christian. They are secular humanists with little Christianish adherence.

    And how is he secular? Humanist perhaps, but humanism can be Christian. 'Spiritual understanding' seems to just be a nicer phrase for fideism and anti-intellectual forms of religion. 'Biblical understanding' is incoherent (see above), or mostly just a hollow power rhetoric on your part, that attempts to label your opponents as heretics and unbelievers tout court.
    No, a humanist is sociologically interested and vested. Yes God told us to love our neighbor and do good. No, your only duty is not man, but a relationship with God, reading your bible daily, praying, seeking Him, loving Him. Anything else is BUT humanism without the "Christian" part.

    All in all, typical of the theologically vapid forms of religion you find in so much of evangelical Christianity today, which implicitly claims that ceasing to think is an all important Christian virtue.
    Nope. I won't toot my own horn after that...at least not this post.
    I don't find humanism but emoting THEN thinking about what they prefer in their emotes. Christianity requires one takes up his/her cross.
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    Is Calvinism okay? Yep

    Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think... Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21

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