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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    No, you just don't believe it to begin with.
    I don't need to change it. You do though.

    I believe the scripture that I just quoted. You don't?

    1Thess 4:16-18 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:16) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (4:17) Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (4:18) Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

    Plenty Christians take it as figurative and don't believe in an actual 'rapture' at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilo View Post
    Paul addressed this almost directly. Romans 9:3 (KJV)
    Yeah..... but I never got a straight reply from any others..... true?

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    Since so many are claiming that gays and even whole churches will burn in hellfire, let's see what Churches in the USA don't believe that gays will burn in hellfire, and which do support either gay rights, gay unions or gay marriage....ok?
    Let's go........ this from jolly ol' Wiki...

    Affirming Pentecostal Church International
    Alliance of Baptists
    American Baptist Churches USA[13] NOTE: The denomination allows each congregation to decide
    Anglican Church of Canada[14]
    The Anthem Network
    Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists
    AXIOS - Eastern and Orthodox Gay and Lesbian Christians
    Catholic Apostolic Church in North America
    Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
    Communion of Synodal Catholic Churches
    Community of Christ
    Cooperative Baptist Fellowship[15] NOTE: Each congregation determines its own position
    Ecclesia Gnostica
    Ecumenical Catholic Church
    Ecumenical Catholic Communion
    Episcopal Church (United States)
    Eucharistic Catholic Church
    Evangelical Anglican Church In America
    Evangelical Catholic Church
    Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
    Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada
    The Evangelical Network
    Friends General Conference
    Friends of Jesus Fellowship in America
    Global Alliance of Affirming Apostolic Pentecostals
    Inclusive Orthodox Church
    Independent Catholic Christian Church
    Independent Greek Orthodox Church of the United States
    International Council of Community Churches[16]
    Mennonite Church Canada[17] NOTE: Each congregation determines its own position
    Mennonite Church USA[18] NOTE: Each conference determines its own position
    Metropolitan Community Church
    Moravian Church in America Northern Province[19]
    National Association of Congregational Christian Churches[20][21] NOTE: Each congregation is free to determine its own policy
    Old Catholic Church[22]
    Old Catholic Church-Charismatic Rite[23]
    Presbyterian Church (USA) [24]
    Reconciling Pentecostals International
    Reformed Anglican Catholic Church
    Reformed Church in America[25] NOTE: Gay pastors may serve congregations if they were ordained in another denomination; some member churches allow gay marriage.
    Restoration Church of Jesus Christ (Salt Lake City, Utah, USA) — a Latter Day Saint denomination
    Swedenborgian Church of North America
    The Progressive Episcopal Church
    Unitarian Universalist Association[26] NOTE: Although no longer exclusively Christian, the denomination originated as such and is 'mainline'
    United Catholic Church
    United Church of Christ
    United Church of Canada
    United Methodist Church's

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    Quote Originally Posted by eider View Post
    Since so many are claiming that gays and even whole churches will burn in hellfire, let's see what Churches in the USA don't believe that gays will burn in hellfire, and which do support either gay rights, gay unions or gay marriage....ok?
    Let's go........ this from jolly ol' Wiki...

    Affirming Pentecostal Church International
    Alliance of Baptists
    American Baptist Churches USA[13] NOTE: The denomination allows each congregation to decide
    Anglican Church of Canada[14]
    The Anthem Network
    Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists
    AXIOS - Eastern and Orthodox Gay and Lesbian Christians
    Catholic Apostolic Church in North America
    Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
    Communion of Synodal Catholic Churches
    Community of Christ
    Cooperative Baptist Fellowship[15] NOTE: Each congregation determines its own position
    Ecclesia Gnostica
    Ecumenical Catholic Church
    Ecumenical Catholic Communion
    Episcopal Church (United States)
    Eucharistic Catholic Church
    Evangelical Anglican Church In America
    Evangelical Catholic Church
    Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
    Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada
    The Evangelical Network
    Friends General Conference
    Friends of Jesus Fellowship in America
    Global Alliance of Affirming Apostolic Pentecostals
    Inclusive Orthodox Church
    Independent Catholic Christian Church
    Independent Greek Orthodox Church of the United States
    International Council of Community Churches[16]
    Mennonite Church Canada[17] NOTE: Each congregation determines its own position
    Mennonite Church USA[18] NOTE: Each conference determines its own position
    Metropolitan Community Church
    Moravian Church in America Northern Province[19]
    National Association of Congregational Christian Churches[20][21] NOTE: Each congregation is free to determine its own policy
    Old Catholic Church[22]
    Old Catholic Church-Charismatic Rite[23]
    Presbyterian Church (USA) [24]
    Reconciling Pentecostals International
    Reformed Anglican Catholic Church
    Reformed Church in America[25] NOTE: Gay pastors may serve congregations if they were ordained in another denomination; some member churches allow gay marriage.
    Restoration Church of Jesus Christ (Salt Lake City, Utah, USA) — a Latter Day Saint denomination
    Swedenborgian Church of North America
    The Progressive Episcopal Church
    Unitarian Universalist Association[26] NOTE: Although no longer exclusively Christian, the denomination originated as such and is 'mainline'
    United Catholic Church
    United Church of Christ
    United Church of Canada
    United Methodist Church's
    All heretical.

    Well this is fun isn't it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by eider View Post
    Lon, your continued and repeated referrals to sexual practice and desire could show a tiny window into your own soul?

    Question:- If you, by giving up your soul and place in Heaven could save every othrer person in the World...... would you give it up?
    Yes, just as Paul. As far as practices, what else are we talking about? It is the 'topic' of this thread. I've told you, that you are concerned with matters of the flesh. It is true and you don't realize how much God wants of you. When you married a non-believer, that 'part' of your life is relegated to matters NOT pertaining to God. He cannot have all of you because of it. So as far as matters and actions of the flesh, yes, I'm talking about them but not as pertains to my thought regarding making excuses and ways for the flesh. Why are you trying to turn it around? I married a Christian wife. I am following God's pattern, therefore it isn't a window into my soul. It is the subject matter of this thread and pertains to somebody else's life. Romans 13:14
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    All heretical.

    Although you're being sarcastic (I think), it's true. Even Eider thinks so.

    Really, you do, too.
    If I am wrong, set me right.

    Do you actually believe that any of those churches' doctrine is completely true?
    Your "catholic" is showing. - Sozo

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    Quote Originally Posted by eider View Post
    So you do agree with Muslims about all this? Yes?
    Islam is a Satanic religion. Most of it copies Judaism so it will contain some correct things. My hope for gays is that they turn from homosexuality and turn to Jesus before Judgment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glassjester View Post
    Although you're being sarcastic (I think), it's true. Even Eider thinks so.

    Really, you do, too.
    If I am wrong, set me right.

    Do you actually believe that any of those churches' doctrine is completely true?
    That's the rub isn't it? Why are there so many different denominations with different teachings?

    You're right in that I was being sarcastic...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    That's the rub isn't it? Why are there so many different denominations with different teachings?
    With mutually exclusive, and opposing teachings - they can't all be right.
    That's why I said even Eider would agree that they are all heretical.

    So it makes no sense for him to say, "Look at all these churches that teach that homosexuality is wonderful!" if he thinks all those churches have false teachings, anyway.

    If they're capable of teaching even one false doctrine, then they aren't the Church founded by Christ, and they have no moral authority over Christ's followers.


    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    You're right in that I was being sarcastic...

    Of course. But you don't believe any of those churches teach only true doctrine... right?
    Your "catholic" is showing. - Sozo

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    Woops, didn't even address this...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Why are there so many different denominations with different teachings?
    Because since the start of it, heretics have decided, "Well I don't like that teaching of Christ and His Church. I'll just make up my own."
    Your "catholic" is showing. - Sozo

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    Quote Originally Posted by glassjester View Post
    Woops, didn't even address this...



    Because since the start of it, heretics have decided, "Well I don't like that teaching of Christ and His Church. I'll just make up my own."
    So, is your definition of 'heresy' anything that isn't Catholic teaching?
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    Quote Originally Posted by glassjester View Post
    With mutually exclusive, and opposing teachings - they can't all be right.
    That's why I said even Eider would agree that they are all heretical.

    So it makes no sense for him to say, "Look at all these churches that teach that homosexuality is wonderful!" if he thinks all those churches have false teachings, anyway.

    If they're capable of teaching even one false doctrine, then they aren't the Church founded by Christ, and they have no moral authority over Christ's followers.




    Of course. But you don't believe any of those churches teach only true doctrine... right?
    Even in the very early church there were differing trains of thought on theological matters, so hey. Sure, they can't all be right on everything but if your assertion is that only the Catholic church is correct then there's even differences of opinion between those who ascribe to that denomination on here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    So, is your definition of 'heresy' anything that isn't Catholic teaching?
    Materially, yes. Meaning - those beliefs are objectively heretical. As for personal culpability, or what the Church calls formal heresy, it's more of an individual matter.
    Your "catholic" is showing. - Sozo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Even in the very early church there were differing trains of thought on theological matters, so hey. Sure, they can't all be right on everything but if your assertion is that only the Catholic church is correct then there's even differences of opinion between those who ascribe to that denomination on here.
    Yes, that is my assertion.

    If by "differing opinion" you mean non-doctrinal matters, then it's inconsequential. If you're saying there are Catholics who knowingly deny a formal doctrine of the Church - then they're heretics.
    Your "catholic" is showing. - Sozo

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    Quote Originally Posted by glassjester View Post
    Yes, that is my assertion.

    If by "differing opinion" you mean non-doctrinal matters, then it's inconsequential. If you're saying there are Catholics who knowingly deny a formal doctrine of the Church - then they're heretics.
    Well, thanks for clarifying then. You're regarded as just as much of a heretic for your own beliefs but then, it's an easy card to play when embroiled in dogma, whoever thinks they have the 'winning hand'.
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