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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    Peter preached the gospel before Paul ever got saved which included the D.B.R. grace etc.
    Can you handle a serious question without dodging it or resorting to insults?

    Why did the Lord bother to draft Saul/Paul to be the apostle He sent to the Gentiles, if (a) the 12 already had the same message that Paul preached and (b) the 12 would have gotten to ALL Gentiles eventually per the orders Christ gave them (the so-called Great Commission)? If you are correct, how was Paul's apostleship not completely redundant?

    Can you give a serious, honest answer?
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    Progressive Revelation
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    Scripture Reading: Romans 3:21
    Two of the smallest words in the Bible actually carry the greatest impact of how we understand Scripture. These two words are "but now." While the Bible is the Word of God from cover to cover, it was not all given at once or to the same audience. What was spoken to one group of people in an earlier time may not directly apply to another group of people in later times. This is called the principle of "Progressive Revelation," and we find many examples of this in Scripture.

    In Romans 3:21, the Apostle Paul writes, "But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets." At one time, the law of Moses played an integral part in righteousness. Not that the law itself could bring righteousness, it could not; but before the dispensation of the grace of God was committed to Paul (See Ephesians 3:1, 2), the law was God's prescribed method of demonstrating the righteousness which comes by faith. In other words, if a godly Jew under the law wanted to show that he believed God, there was only one way to do it: be in obedience to the law. Therefore, while the law did not bring righteousness, keeping the law went hand in hand with living a righteous life.

    But according to Romans 3:21, God's righteousness is no longer associated with law-keeping. This is why Paul goes on to proclaim, "for ye are not under the law, but under grace" (Romans 6:14b). Those who do not recognize the principle of progressive revelation continue to draw people back under the law with its sabbaths and ordinances; but let us rather move on in grace!
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    Quote Originally Posted by high cherub x View Post
    Jew worshiping retards, that's what MADism is.

    A bunch of racist conservatives pulling the crap card for Christ hating dissidents.
    Did your family ever try to help your mental illness?
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    Quote Originally Posted by high cherub x View Post
    Being that it costs six grand for a 20 minute doctor visit, and your hatred for what should be an obligation of healthcare to a Christian, I could not afford the billion dollar service you recommend
    What area was your IEP under? Aspie?
    Not a single cluster of living fruit was, or ever will be, harvested from the tree of legality. Law can only produce “dead works,” from which we need to have conscience purged just as much as from “wicked works.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    Can you handle a serious question without dodging it or resorting to insults?

    Why did the Lord bother to draft Saul/Paul to be the apostle He sent to the Gentiles, if (a) the 12 already had the same message that Paul preached and (b) the 12 would have gotten to ALL Gentiles eventually per the orders Christ gave them (the so-called Great Commission)? If you are correct, how was Paul's apostleship not completely redundant?

    Can you give a serious, honest answer?
    Jesus said come unto me you that are heavy laden etc.

    Why ? Jesus said He only lost one and that was the son of perdition i.e. Judas.

    When anyone witness for and about Jesus they share the message that Jesus gave us all to share. Paul was one of many that bore witness to Jesus.

    The matter of redundant has nothing to do with how God works. His message is proclaimed by whom He chooses and the message is His not their's.
    Heb 4:2
    For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    Jesus said come unto me you that are heavy laden etc.

    Why ? Jesus said He only lost one and that was the son of perdition i.e. Judas.

    When anyone witness for and about Jesus they share the message that Jesus gave us all to share. Paul was one of many that bore witness to Jesus.

    The matter of redundant has nothing to do with how God works. His message is proclaimed by whom He chooses and the message is His not their's.
    You did not answer the question I asked.

    Why did Christ even bother with Saul, spending years to prep him to go to Gentiles, when He'd already given the 12 the Great Commission which commanded them to eventually go to all Gentiles?

    Why did Christ reveal a gospel directly to Paul when, according to you, He'd already revealed it to the 12?

    Christ already had worldwide gospel ministry covered with the 12.

    What was the point of using Paul?
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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    You did not answer the question I asked.

    Why did Christ even bother with Saul, spending years to prep him to go to Gentiles, when He'd already given the 12 the Great Commission which commanded them to eventually go to all Gentiles?

    Why did Christ reveal a gospel directly to Paul when, according to you, He'd already revealed it to the 12?

    Christ already had worldwide gospel ministry covered with the 12.

    What was the point of using Paul?
    Deceiver dodge does not have real answers to real questions.

    He just constantly regurgitates his half-truths.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Deceiver dodge does not have real answers to real questions.

    He just constantly regurgitates his half-truths.
    You'd think if he was right, and MAD is totally wrong, he could directly address questions that lie at the very heart of MAD and drive a stake through that heart, destroying the rest of MAD along with it.

    But so far...strike 1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    You did not answer the question I asked.

    Why did Christ even bother with Saul, spending years to prep him to go to Gentiles, when He'd already given the 12 the Great Commission which commanded them to eventually go to all Gentiles?

    Why did Christ reveal a gospel directly to Paul when, according to you, He'd already revealed it to the 12?

    Christ already had worldwide gospel ministry covered with the 12.

    What was the point of using Paul?
    1. I do not question why God did or does what He chooses because He is God not I.

    2.Scripture clearly says that when Paul was saved he preached the faith he once sought to destroy. Jesus said when Paul was persecuting the early church , the one before Paul was even saved, that Paul was persecuting HIM,another words Paul was persecuting the BOC that he himself joined and preached their message AFTER he got saved.

    3. I did answer your question you just did not like the answer.

    4. The gospel was a progressive revelation in its understanding because everyone was so locked into the old covenant.
    Heb 4:2
    For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Deceiver dodge does not have real answers to real questions.

    He just constantly regurgitates his half-truths.
    I do not deceive folks I am not MAD.
    Heb 4:2
    For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    1. I do not question why God did or does what He chooses because He is God not I.
    Didn't ask you to be God. Just asked you to answer a very simple question -- why Paul?

    2.Scripture clearly says that when Paul was saved he preached the faith he once sought to destroy. Jesus said when Paul was persecuting the early church , the one before Paul was even saved, that Paul was persecuting HIM,another words Paul was persecuting the BOC that he himself joined and preached their message AFTER he got saved.
    That doesn't explain why Paul essentially replaced the 12 in taking word of Christ to the Gentile world.

    3. I did answer your question you just did not like the answer.
    You did not answer it.

    4. The gospel was a progressive revelation in its understanding because everyone was so locked into the old covenant.
    That doesn't explain Paul's ministry replacing the 12's ministry to Gentiles under the Great Commission.

    Listen, I'll let you off the hook. You have not answered the question because you don't know how to answer it. If you just say, "I don't know why God sent Paul instead of the 12," I'll leave it at that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    I do not deceive folks
    You are attempting to deceive when you say you have answered questions that you know you haven't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    I do not deceive folks I am not MAD.
    You are not MAD and you deceive all the time.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
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    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

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    musterion;5065085]Didn't ask you to be God. Just asked you to answer a very simple question -- why Paul?

    Why not Paul is a better question. Having been raised in the strict Jewish life he was a perfect candidate to bring Jesus' gospel to the gentiles.


    That doesn't explain why Paul essentially replaced the 12 in taking word of Christ to the Gentile world.
    Paul did not replace anyone ! Paul was brought into salvation by the gospel of Jesus and joined God's team. It is not Paul's message or team it is God's.



    You did not answer it.
    Yes I did you just did not like the answer because it does not fit into MAD deception.



    That doesn't explain Paul's ministry replacing the 12's ministry to Gentiles under the Great Commission.
    Find me a verse that says Paul " replaced" anyone. Hint: there is no such verse in scripture.

    Listen, I'll let you off the hook. You have not answered the question because you don't know how to answer it. If you just say, "I don't know why God sent Paul instead of the 12," I'll leave it at that.
    lol, I was never on a hook ! The hook YOU are on is denying what Paul himself taught. Jesus said Paul was persecuting Him before Paul ever got saved so those folks Paul was persecuting eventually Paul joined in action and belief. Paul preached EXACTLY the same faith that those he persecuted taught i.e. GRACE- D.B.R. and grace paid for by Jesus. Now you might want to get off the hook of denying what Paul actually taught.
    Heb 4:2
    For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    You are not MAD and you deceive all the time.
    Nah, I accept the scriptures just as they are written without spinning them out of context to follow MAD.
    Heb 4:2
    For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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