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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    Yes, there is both. Re Christ, the glory that followed was the enthronement in Acts 2, which David said he foresaw. Because he was enthroned, he is to be preached everywhere to all men , to obey the Son, lest he be angry (Ps 2), so that all men come to the obedience of faith.
    The great fabricator, hard at work again.

    The "enthronement glory" does NOT happen until HE RETURNS.

    Matt 25:31-33 (AKJV/PCE)
    (25:31) When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: (25:32) And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats: (25:33) And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

    Why is truth so hard for you to accept?
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    Hey RD,
    are you going to 'cancel' grace just because one passage mentions that it is also future? Hmmmmm.
    Nope, I'm not the great cancellator.

    Your problem (one of MANY) is that you do not understand that there can be multiple ways that God works.

    THAT grace is NOT the same as the dispensation of the grace of God that we NOW enjoy.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Nope, I'm not the great cancellator.

    Your problem (one of MANY) is that you do not understand that there can be multiple ways that God works.

    THAT grace is NOT the same as the dispensation of the grace of God that we NOW enjoy.
    Yep, Romans 5:2 (KJV)

    This grace.
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    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
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    You're too literal to get it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    The New Covenant preceded the Old Covenant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    The hard sayings were to get Israel to wake up so they would get to work in his mission. They may not work with other ethnicities. Aramaic was very graphic. 'Go and sin no more' to that woman in Jn 8 is actually closer to 'Get out of here and knock it off.' Ie, not the warmest farewell.
    Still laughing at this post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    Still laughing at this post.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    Welcome back, dodge, and....

    lol - you holding to a 7 year Tribulation



    Nevertheless, Romans 5:8.
    7 tear tribulation is taught more places than one in scripture. You might want to actually read scripture and leave the commentaries alone.
    Heb 4:2
    For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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    I believe scripture teaches that after the 7 year tribulation then all things will be under the control and authority of God.
    Heb 4:2
    For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    The great fabricator, hard at work again.

    The "enthronement glory" does NOT happen until HE RETURNS.

    Matt 25:31-33 (AKJV/PCE)
    (25:31) When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: (25:32) And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats: (25:33) And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

    Why is truth so hard for you to accept?




    It is not hard. It's the throne that Acts 2 was speaking; 'Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool'. There is absolutely nothing I don't accept about this.

    As I have said many times, the only other thing to happen is the judgement of the whole world, nothing in or about Israel. Why do you get to Acts 2 and imagine some other world or two thrones or everything in the Bible in 2 like Chafer the Almighty Thinker who said the Bible was confused without him? Why do you get to this passage and imagine things for Israel apart from what Ps 2 said?
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    RD,
    I have no problem with saying that grace will also be given at the end of time. You seem to have trouble with the present grace. God's grace is one. Please don't give me a headache all day and tell me that grace is now two, three or seven kinds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Nope, I'm not the great cancellator.

    Your problem (one of MANY) is that you do not understand that there can be multiple ways that God works.

    THAT grace is NOT the same as the dispensation of the grace of God that we NOW enjoy.




    After reading col 1 and Heb 1 on these things: no, everything God does is through Christ who has come. anything future will not be a departure from it, on that specifically, see Col 3:1-5. That's why some kind of separate deal for Israel/Judaism/Judea is nonsense. It is nowhere in the NT and you think it all hinges on Mt 25's King's return, because Chafer thinks there needs to be two worlds, realms, peoples, races, programs in the Bible. He's full of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    It is not hard. It's the throne that Acts 2 was speaking; 'Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool'. There is absolutely nothing I don't accept about this.

    As I have said many times, the only other thing to happen is the judgement of the whole world, nothing in or about Israel. Why do you get to Acts 2 and imagine some other world or two thrones or everything in the Bible in 2 like Chafer the Almighty Thinker who said the Bible was confused without him? Why do you get to this passage and imagine things for Israel apart from what Ps 2 said?
    His RETURN in GLORY was NOT His resurrection. It is His return to EARTH as described in both Acts 1 and Zechariah 14.

    You're completely ignorant of God's Word.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    After reading col 1 and Heb 1 on these things: no, everything God does is through Christ who has come. anything future will not be a departure from it, on that specifically, see Col 3:1-5. That's why some kind of separate deal for Israel/Judaism/Judea is nonsense. It is nowhere in the NT and you think it all hinges on Mt 25's King's return, because Chafer thinks there needs to be two worlds, realms, peoples, races, programs in the Bible. He's full of it.
    You're full of it.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
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    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    God's grace is one.
    Made up, meaningless vague generality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    Please don't give me a headache all day and tell me that grace is now two, three or seven kinds.
    I do not know of a number, but this grace is different than the kind you've been given.


    Genesis
    6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
    6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
    6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
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