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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Shalom.
    No. I do not. I only wish you the best with whatever you have to work out to come to truth, if you ever find that what you have said is less than what you want or wanted it to be.

    I just went through Acts 13 once. What do you think the destiny of Israel is? See verse 47.

    Shalom.

    Jacob



    Yes, good. The mission to the nations. to preach the gospel of justification. V36 says all that was promised to the fathers was fulfilled in the resurrection of christ. The significance of that is the resurrection happened because justification was accomplished. Because he completed it, God enthroned Christ on the throne David foresaw, Act 2:30-31.

    The destiny of Israel was to be the leading evangelists to the world, see the middle of Rom 10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    Yes, good. The mission to the nations. to preach the gospel of justification. V36 says all that was promised to the fathers was fulfilled in the resurrection of christ. The significance of that is the resurrection happened because justification was accomplished. Because he completed it, God enthroned Christ on the throne David foresaw, Act 2:30-31.

    The destiny of Israel was to be the leading evangelists to the world, see the middle of Rom 10.
    Shalom.

    I do not know what you mean by the gospel of justification.

    Shalom.

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    Yes, Israel has been given a new covenant. That new covenant is the gospel. That's why Jesus tells Nicodemus that he has to be "born again" because him being a physical Jew will not get him into the kingdom.

    The new covenant with Israel also includes Gentiles as fellow heirs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Shalom.

    I observe Judaism, I accept Yeshua as the Messiah,
    I would suggest to you that these are contradictory statements. In Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile and you can't observe Judaism and accept Christ. It's one or the other and only one saves. Paul tells the Galatians who want to observe Judaism that if you receive circumcision, because you want the be justified by the law, you have fallen from grace, Gal. 5:3-4.

    Hope this helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by turbosixx View Post
    Yes, Israel has been given a new covenant. That new covenant is the gospel. That's why Jesus tells Nicodemus that he has to be "born again" because him being a physical Jew will not get him into the kingdom.

    The new covenant with Israel also includes Gentiles as fellow heirs.



    I would suggest to you that these are contradictory statements. In Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile and you can't observe Judaism and accept Christ. It's one or the other and only one saves. Paul tells the Galatians who want to observe Judaism that if you receive circumcision, because you want the be justified by the law, you have fallen from grace, Gal. 5:3-4.

    Hope this helps.
    Shalom.

    No one can be justified by the law.

    In Judaism we have the expectation of the coming Messiah, who came, Yeshua, Jesus.

    For a Jew to be born again is something that you should consider.

    We do have the new covenant in Yeshua. It is for the house of Israel and the house of Judah. It is God's law written on minds and hearts.

    Shalom.

    Jacob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Shalom.

    No one can be justified by the law.
    True. Gal. 2:16

    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    In Judaism we have the expectation of the coming Messiah, who came, Yeshua, Jesus.
    Christians as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    For a Jew to be born again is something that you should consider.
    I'm not sure what you mean by this could you please explain. Jesus told Nicodemus,a Jew, by water and the Spirit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    We do have the new covenant in Yeshua. It is for the house of Israel and the house of Judah. It is God's law written on minds and hearts.
    I agree. Is it only for them?
    Wretched man that I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbosixx View Post
    True. Gal. 2:16

    Christians as well.


    I'm not sure what you mean by this could you please explain. Jesus told Nicodemus,a Jew, by water and the Spirit.


    I agree. Is it only for them?
    Shalom.

    I am a Jew, and / or of Israel. I converted to Judaism. The new covenant is for the house of Israel and the house of Judah. Prior knowledge of the covenant that God made with Israel at Mount Sinai is helpful. I observe Torah, the 613 Commandments of Torah.

    Nicodemus was born of water at his birth. Jesus explained to him that he must be born again, born of the Spirit.

    Shalom.

    Jacob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Shalom.

    No one can be justified by the law.

    In Judaism we have the expectation of the coming Messiah, who came, Yeshua, Jesus.

    For a Jew to be born again is something that you should consider.

    We do have the new covenant in Yeshua. It is for the house of Israel and the house of Judah. It is God's law written on minds and hearts.

    Shalom.

    Jacob
    House of Israel and the house of Judah is parabolic for the (nation) and the (faithful.) That includes Gentile converts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Shalom.

    I am a Jew, and / or of Israel. I converted to Judaism. The new covenant is for the house of Israel and the house of Judah. Prior knowledge of the covenant that God made with Israel at Mount Sinai is helpful. I observe Torah, the 613 Commandments of Torah.
    It sounds like you are seeking to be justified by the law.

    Paul said Jews have been released from the law.
    Rom. 7:6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Nicodemus was born of water at his birth. Jesus explained to him that he must be born again, born of the Spirit.
    That is not the water Jesus was speaking of. Everyone meets that requirement. The water he is speaking of is baptism as seen here.
    Matt. 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

    The Jews to first hear the gospel were baptized in water and received the Spirit.
    Acts 2:38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CherubRam View Post
    House of Israel and the house of Judah is parabolic for the (nation) and the (faithful.) That includes Gentile converts.
    Shalom.

    If you convert to Judaism you are no longer a Gentile. I do not know what you mean by parabolic.

    Shalom.

    Jacob

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbosixx View Post
    It sounds like you are seeking to be justified by the law.

    Paul said Jews have been released from the law.
    Rom. 7:6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.



    That is not the water Jesus was speaking of. Everyone meets that requirement. The water he is speaking of is baptism as seen here.
    Matt. 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

    The Jews to first hear the gospel were baptized in water and received the Spirit.
    Acts 2:38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
    Shalom.

    I am not seeking to be justified by the law. Also, Jesus was not talking about water baptism. He said born of the flesh is your first birth.

    Shalom.

    Jacob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Shalom.

    I am not seeking to be justified by the law.
    Correct me if I'm wrong but when you say "I observe Torah, the 613 Commandments of Torah" isn't that observance of the law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Also, Jesus was not talking about water baptism. He said born of the flesh is your first birth.

    Shalom.

    Jacob
    I'm curious why you see it that way. First, everyone meets that requirement so why would Jesus even mention it?
    Second, he doesn't say it's your first birth. I can see how someone who wants it to read that way can take that view of the passage. I believe he's talking about the water of baptism. I suggest let's put each to the test by looking at other passages to see which view point is supported scripture. I'll start with this one.

    Here we see people who have been born and have received the Holy Spirit but look at what Peter says.
    Acts 10:47 Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”
    Peter sees they have met the Spirit requirement but are lacking the water of baptism.

    Do you have a passage to support your view of Jn 3?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Shalom.

    If you convert to Judaism you are no longer a Gentile. I do not know what you mean by parabolic.

    Shalom.

    Jacob
    I suggest that you do a Internet search for the word (PARABLE.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbosixx View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong but when you say "I observe Torah, the 613 Commandments of Torah" isn't that observance of the law?



    I'm curious why you see it that way. First, everyone meets that requirement so why would Jesus even mention it?
    Second, he doesn't say it's your first birth. I can see how someone who wants it to read that way can take that view of the passage. I believe he's talking about the water of baptism. I suggest let's put each to the test by looking at other passages to see which view point is supported scripture. I'll start with this one.

    Here we see people who have been born and have received the Holy Spirit but look at what Peter says.
    Acts 10:47 Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”
    Peter sees they have met the Spirit requirement but are lacking the water of baptism.

    Do you have a passage to support your view of Jn 3?
    Shalom.

    Yes, you can see it that way. That observance of Torah is observance of the Law.

    I stand by what John 3 says, and believe that water in the passage you are talking about is water for baptism, or water baptism. I do not havery another passage to help you interpret John 3. You have to read John 3 to interpret it.

    Shalom.

    Jacob

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    Quote Originally Posted by CherubRam View Post
    I suggest that you do a Internet search for the word (PARABLE.)
    Shalom.

    No thank you. I know what a parable is.

    Shalom.

    Jacob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Shalom.

    Yes, you can see it that way. That observance of Torah is observance of the Law.
    I'm curious why you would want to observe the old law now that there is a new and living way.
    Heb. 10:19 Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh

    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    I do not havery another passage to help you interpret John 3. You have to read John 3 to interpret it.
    There is no interpretation of scripture, we either understand the truth or we don't.

    I would suggest that if we cannot find any other passages in the bible to support our understanding of a passage but there are plenty of passages that support a different understanding, then I strongly suggest taking serious consideration of the different understanding.
    Wretched man that I am.

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