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    "Things that are different" included Gentiles

    "Things that are different are not the same" goes for the Gentiles to whom Paul was first sent and those to whom he was later sent. Yes, those to whom Paul was first sent became members of the one Body with the Gentiles to whom he was later sent, but some Gentiles (called Greeks in a KJB) got to hear the gospel of Christ preached to them because they were found in the synagogue of the Jews fearing God (Acts 13:16 KJV, Acts 13:26 KJV) and seeking a blessing according to the promise of Genesis 12:3 KJV (Galatians 3:29 KJV). No, they did not know that their blessing would come in the form of a mystery/the preaching of the forgiveness of sins (Acts 13:38-39 KJV)/ that Christ died for their sins, was buried and rose again the third day for their justification(Romans 4:25 KJV, 1 Corinthians 2:6-8 KJV, Romans 16:25-27 KJV. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV).


    We can try all day long, but we cannot say the same thing about the Ephesian Gentiles to whom Paul wrote the letter. The "you Gentiles" that Paul became a prisoner of Jesus Christ for (Ephesians 3:1 KJV) in time past were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world. These Gentiles were not found fearing God and seeking a blessing through Israel! They were worshiping the goddess Diana as late as Acts 19 (Acts 19:28 KJV)!

    Ephesians 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;Ephesians 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:


    We, by extension are just like these Gentiles (like the Ephesians to whom Paul wrote the letter) as we didn't have anything to do with Israel! There was no Israel by the time we came around!
    This is where we fit in to God's mystery plan, beloved! It was unsearchable/hid in God that we should be fellowheirs with them and of the same Body beginning with Paul (on the same ship/the fellowship of the mystery) and partakers of God's promise in Christ BY THE GOSPEL (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV) until the dispensation of the grace of God was given by God to Paul to usward!


    Ephesians 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
    Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
    Ephesians 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
    Ephesians 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
    Ephesians 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
    Ephesians 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
    Ephesians 3:7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
    Ephesians 3:8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
    Ephesians 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
    2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    Paul defines the word of truth as the gospel of your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV). Now, study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed by rightly dividing it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by heir View Post
    There was no Israel by the time we came around!
    What happened to the nations of Israel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    Might as well call that what it is - one incompetent on that, applauding another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heir View Post
    Yes, those to whom Paul was first sent became members of the one Body with the Gentiles to whom he was later sent
    LOL

    How do you say this stuff with a straight face?

    When did this alleged magic moment take place? IOW, when did these Gentile "kingdom believers" switch to become Gentile "body believers"?
    (1 Cor 1:13 KJV) Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    heir's, and your's Bullingerism does not stand the test of scripture.

    No matter how hard you guys try, it doesn't pass the test.

    It's embarrassing that the two of you actually are claiming that Gentile "kingdom believers" switched to become "body believers", all while the Jewish "kingdom believers" remained left out.

    Pure craziness.

    Maybe you can tell us when this event took place? Scripture that says such a thing?
    (1 Cor 1:13 KJV) Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

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    (Eph 2:14) For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility,

    Who are "the two groups"?
    (1 Cor 1:13 KJV) Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

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    The earliest Gentile believers were saved when they believed the gospel of the kingdom and others were saved later when they believed the gospel of the grace of God.

    Do you deny that, tet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetelestai View Post
    LOL

    How do you say this stuff with a straight face?

    When did this alleged magic moment take place? IOW, when did these Gentile "kingdom believers" switch to become Gentile "body believers"?
    Funny, you unemployed, little armed Preterist fraud.


    How about AD 70, sweetie?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    The earliest Gentile believers were saved when they believed the gospel of the kingdom and others were saved later when they believed the gospel of the grace of God.

    Do you deny that, tet?
    Ye, Craigie. Tell us , with a straight face, that Peter was saved by believing the gospel of 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV, the DBR, when he tried to prevent the Master's death, and initially denied the resurrection.


    Go ahead, sissy-say it with a straight face.


    You won't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tetelestai View Post
    heir's, and your's Bullingerism does not stand the test of scripture.

    No matter how hard you guys try, it doesn't pass the test.

    It's embarrassing that the two of you actually are claiming that Gentile "kingdom believers" switched to become "body believers", all while the Jewish "kingdom believers" remained left out.

    Pure craziness.

    Maybe you can tell us when this event took place? Scripture that says such a thing?
    Yo, so called Dispy expert, their skewed view of that was neither Bullinger's (Acts 28) view nor that of many, many of the more well known Mid-Acts (Acts 9) based Pastor-Teachers.

    Very few within MAD hold these skewed viees espoused by such as heir, STP, Nick, et al.

    MAD's actual position on such things?

    Fifteen of their various non MAD based conclusions are explored in depth on the following link...

    https://forwhatsaiththescriptures.wo...brid-theology/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    The earliest Gentile believers were saved when they believed the gospel of the kingdom and others were saved later when they believed the gospel of the grace of God.

    Do you deny that, tet?
    Trick question....there never was two different gospels.

    Those who believed in Christ Jesus are in one body...that includes the Jews in the days of Jesus, everyone in between, and up to the person who was saved a minute ago.
    (1 Cor 1:13 KJV) Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetelestai View Post
    heir's, and your's Bullingerism does not stand the test of scripture.

    No matter how hard you guys try, it doesn't pass the test.

    It's embarrassing that the two of you actually are claiming that Gentile "kingdom believers" switched to become "body believers", all while the Jewish "kingdom believers" remained left out.

    Pure craziness.

    Maybe you can tell us when this event took place? Scripture that says such a thing?
    His only pitch-Bullinger, Darby.


    You're such a pathetic loser, little arms Craigie-even you know it.


    Get a life, loser-and a job. And show us, sweetie, where Scripture says such a thing as "AD 70."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Do you deny that, tet?
    Do you agree with heir and STP?

    Did Gentile kingdom believers switch over to become Gentile body believers?
    (1 Cor 1:13 KJV) Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetelestai View Post
    Trick question....there never was two different gospels.

    Those who believed in Christ Jesus are in one body...that includes the Jews in the days of Jesus, everyone in between, and up to the person who was saved a minute ago.
    Tell us , with a straight face, that Peter was saved by believing the gospel of 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV, the DBR, when he tried to prevent the Master's death, and initially denied the resurrection.


    Go ahead, sissy-say it with a straight face. Tell us that Judas preached 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV, per Luke 9:6 KJV, weasel, since, according to your invented AD 70-ism, "there never was two different gospels."


    You won't.
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