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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Shalom.

    You are thinking of philosophy, not Judaism.

    Shalom.

    Jacob
    No, I'm thinking of you and your lack of a Saviour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    No, I'm thinking of you and your lack of a Saviour.
    Shalom.

    I do not use the word Saviour. I use the word Savior. I use it of God, and I use it of Jesus, in different ways.

    Shalom.

    Jacob
    John 1:40-41 NASB, John 1:49 NASB - 40 One of the two who heard John speak and followed Him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother. 41 He found first his own brother Simon and said to him, "We have found the Messiah" (which translated means Christ). 49 - Nathanael answered Him, "Rabbi, You are the Son of God; You are the King of Israel."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Shalom.

    I do not use the word Saviour. I use the word Savior. I use it of God, and I use it of Jesus, in different ways.

    Shalom.

    Jacob
    Same word....different spelling. Same God....Same Saviour.

    You have no Saviour...no matter how you spell the word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Same word....different spelling. Same God....Same Saviour.

    You have no Saviour...no matter how you spell the word.
    Shalom.

    God is my Savior. And Jesus is my Savior. No problem. Do you understand now?

    Shalom.

    Jacob
    John 1:40-41 NASB, John 1:49 NASB - 40 One of the two who heard John speak and followed Him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother. 41 He found first his own brother Simon and said to him, "We have found the Messiah" (which translated means Christ). 49 - Nathanael answered Him, "Rabbi, You are the Son of God; You are the King of Israel."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Shalom.

    God is my Savior. And Jesus is my Savior. No problem. Do you understand now?

    Shalom.

    Jacob
    Explain it to me. It sounds like an evasion on your part. Like you don't really know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Explain it to me. It sounds like an evasion on your part. Like you don't really know.
    Shalom.

    Do you understand YHVH, Yahveh, from right to left in the Hebrew, God's name יהוה? God is my Savior.

    Jesus is the Son of God. And Jesus is my Savior. He died for me, for the forgiveness of my sins.

    Shalom.

    Jacob
    John 1:40-41 NASB, John 1:49 NASB - 40 One of the two who heard John speak and followed Him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother. 41 He found first his own brother Simon and said to him, "We have found the Messiah" (which translated means Christ). 49 - Nathanael answered Him, "Rabbi, You are the Son of God; You are the King of Israel."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Shalom.

    Do you understand YHVH, Yahveh, from right to left in the Hebrew, God's name יהוה? God is my Savior.

    Jesus is the Son of God. And Jesus is my Savior. He died for me, for the forgiveness of my sins.

    Shalom.

    Jacob
    Really, then why does God say He is the only Saviour. Are you suggesting God is lying?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    God is my Savior.

    Jesus is the Son of God. And Jesus is my Savior. He died for me, for the forgiveness of my sins.
    Romans 10:9 (KJV)
    1st Corinthians 15:3-4 (KJV)
    1st Corinthians 15:14 (KJV)
    THE LORD JESUS CHRIST IS RISEN. Matthew 28:6 (KJV) Mark 16:6 (KJV) Luke 24:6 (KJV)

    Romans 10:9 (KJV) 1st Corinthians 15:14 (KJV)

    Trevor: "I know how to drive, man."
    Ricky: "You also know how to be stupid."

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Really, then why does God say He is the only Saviour. Are you suggesting God is lying?
    Shalom.

    No. There is only one God. The word Savior when in reference to Christ is used differently. That Jesus died to save me from my sin also still means that God is my Savior.

    Shalom.

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    John 1:40-41 NASB, John 1:49 NASB - 40 One of the two who heard John speak and followed Him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother. 41 He found first his own brother Simon and said to him, "We have found the Messiah" (which translated means Christ). 49 - Nathanael answered Him, "Rabbi, You are the Son of God; You are the King of Israel."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Shalom.

    I do not know. It says a Man. In Hosea it says, or speaks of, the Angel. Does the word angel mean messenger? Are you able to show me the Hebrew? I see it says אִישׁ. Hebrew is read from right to left. I can read the Hebrew word, but I do not think angel. It is a man, or man. See also Hosea 12:4.

    Shalom.

    Jacob
    I think you'd better read the passage again, paying special attention to vs. 30.

    And are not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel would not look intently at the end of what was fading away. But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the Old Testament the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. - 2 Corinthians 3:13-14

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilo View Post
    Romans 10:9 (KJV)
    1st Corinthians 15:3-4 (KJV)
    1st Corinthians 15:14 (KJV)
    Shalom.

    I recognize that you are using the KJV. I am a citizen of the United States of America, a Jew and of Israel as a proselyte and a convert. I grew up using the New American Standard (Bible or Update).

    Your verse selection is appropriate. I do not know where you are getting these verses from. I hope that you come to see all things in truth.

    Shalom.

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    John 1:40-41 NASB, John 1:49 NASB - 40 One of the two who heard John speak and followed Him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother. 41 He found first his own brother Simon and said to him, "We have found the Messiah" (which translated means Christ). 49 - Nathanael answered Him, "Rabbi, You are the Son of God; You are the King of Israel."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Shalom.

    No. There is only one God. The word Savior when in reference to Christ is used differently. That Jesus died to save me from my sin also still means that God is my Savior.

    Shalom.

    Jacob
    No, the word Saviour is not used a different way. You're making that up. Stop doing despite to the word of God just to suit your own disbelief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    No, the word Saviour is not used a different way. You're making that up. Stop doing despite to the word of God just to suit your own disbelief.
    Shalom.

    No. What I am saying is that you are correct that God is the only Savior. Now read the verses that say that. They are not the same as verses that say that Jesus is the Savior. There is no contradiction.

    Shalom.

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    John 1:40-41 NASB, John 1:49 NASB - 40 One of the two who heard John speak and followed Him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother. 41 He found first his own brother Simon and said to him, "We have found the Messiah" (which translated means Christ). 49 - Nathanael answered Him, "Rabbi, You are the Son of God; You are the King of Israel."

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    Quote Originally Posted by beameup View Post
    I think you'd better read the passage again, paying special attention to vs. 30.
    Shalom.

    I have done so. I do not know what to make of it. The Bible says that no one has seen God at any time. So we need to understand what is being said.

    Shalom.

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    John 1:40-41 NASB, John 1:49 NASB - 40 One of the two who heard John speak and followed Him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother. 41 He found first his own brother Simon and said to him, "We have found the Messiah" (which translated means Christ). 49 - Nathanael answered Him, "Rabbi, You are the Son of God; You are the King of Israel."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Shalom.

    I recognize that you are using the KJV. I am a citizen of the United States of America, a Jew and of Israel as a proselyte and a convert. I grew up using the New American Standard (Bible or Update).
    Here is the ESV, which is derived using the Dead Sea Scrolls:
    So Jacob called the name of the place Peniel,[fn] saying, “For I have seen God face to face, and yet my life has been delivered.”
    Peniel literally means "the face of God"

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