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    Quote Originally Posted by SimpleMan77 View Post
    Honestly answer this: if someone today had the testimony that they were raised from the dead, you would rationalize it away, right?

    Now wouldn't you do the same if you were there? Lazarus surely wasn't really dead, right? You know you would. Jesus wasn't really dead - he went into a coma, and three days later he revived.


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    Do you know you are falsely accusing, and that that is what Satan ensnares people to do?

    You are falsely accusing me of not believing Jesus.

    As for raising the dead, you said you could do what Jesus does. So you need to tell me who you raised from the dead. Remember, four days dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You have exposed yourself as being a liar and one going to hell.

    That is according to the written Word of God.
    Based on this nonsense you have taken and twisted John the Baptist and Messiah Himself are condemned. Before I judged you, or anyone else, I first judged myself. That makes my judgement of you both just and spiritually accurate.

    You would have accused Messiah Yah Shua to be guilty of not loving his neighbour as himself, of biting and devouring others, and of not manifesting the fruit of the Spirit when he called certain people:

    Hypocrites (Matthew 6:2,5; 7:5; 15:7; 16:3; 22:18; 23:13,14,15,23,25,27,29; Mark 7:6; Luke 6:42; 11:44; 12:56; 13:15)

    Vipers (Matthew 12:34; 23:33)

    Dogs (Matthew 7:6; Revelation 22:15).

    Swine (Matthew 7:6)

    Children of hell (Matthew 23:15)

    Fools (Matthew 23:17,19; Luke 11:40; 12:20; 24:25)

    Blind (Matthew 15:14; 23:16,17,19,24,26; Revelation 3:17)

    Serpents (Matthew 23:33)

    Of their father the devil (John 8:44), liars (John 8:55; Revelation 2:2)

    And their denomination or cult a synagogue of Satan (Revelation 2:9)

    You would have despised Him, because these are the words He would have used to describe you.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    Based on this nonsense you have taken and twisted John the Baptist and Messiah Himself are condemned. Before I judged you, or anyone else, I first judged myself.
    hahahahahahahahaha

    How big of you.

    You approved of YOURSELF greatly, by yourself. How great of you. lol

    You are bigger than Paul who says he doesn't judge himself.

    1 Corinthians 4:3 I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself.


    I care very little if I am judged by you or anyone.


    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    That makes my judgement of you both just and spiritually accurate.

    You would have accused Messiah Yah Shua to be guilty of not loving his neighbour as himself, of biting and devouring others, and of not manifesting the fruit of the Spirit when he called certain people:

    Hypocrites (Matthew 6:2,5; 7:5; 15:7; 16:3; 22:18; 23:13,14,15,23,25,27,29; Mark 7:6; Luke 6:42; 11:44; 12:56; 13:15)

    Vipers (Matthew 12:34; 23:33)

    Dogs (Matthew 7:6; Revelation 22:15).

    Swine (Matthew 7:6)

    Children of hell (Matthew 23:15)

    Fools (Matthew 23:17,19; Luke 11:40; 12:20; 24:25)

    Blind (Matthew 15:14; 23:16,17,19,24,26; Revelation 3:17)

    Serpents (Matthew 23:33)

    Of their father the devil (John 8:44), liars (John 8:55; Revelation 2:2)

    And their denomination or cult a synagogue of Satan (Revelation 2:9)

    You would have despised Him, because these are the words He would have used to describe you.
    You are no Jesus Christ, and you are not the greatest man next to him, John the baptizer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    We do not need anyone's tongue speaking to know more things about God's Truth, we have the Bible, and it is finished.
    Tongues speaking was never for knowing more about Gods Truth.

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    My theology is that the elect of Israel became the scattered church among the nations, and when filled up with the full number of gentiles who believe to become one with them, then Christ will return and gather them, and God will then pour out His wrath on the unbelievers of both Jew and Gentile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Jesus was sending out his apostles, as God sent Jesus out.

    John 20:21 Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you."


    The apostles were sent out and allowed to do miracles as Jesus did.

    The foundation was laid by Jesus Christ and the prophets and apostles.

    Ephesians 2:20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.


    We are not laying the foundation.
    When the gospel is preached to the tribes deep in the Amazon, the foundation is still being laid.

    LA
    My theology is that the elect of Israel became the scattered church among the nations, and when filled up with the full number of gentiles who believe to become one with them, then Christ will return and gather them, and God will then pour out His wrath on the unbelievers of both Jew and Gentile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon View Post
    When the gospel is preached to the tribes deep in the Amazon, the foundation is still being laid.

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    No, the foundation has been laid.

    Ephesians 2:20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the cornerstone.

    1 Corinthians 3:11
    For no one can lay a foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon View Post
    Tongues speaking was never for knowing more about Gods Truth.

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    Speaking in tongues was also for knowing more about God's Truth, and it needed to be interpreted.

    Those speaking in tongues could declare the wonders of God (Acts 2:11). They could also praise God in tongues (Acts 10:46). Not everyone spoke in tongues (1 Corinthians 14:5). If someone spoke in tongues, then they should pray that they should also interpret what they say, for the benefit of others (1 Corinthians 14:13,19). Even when praying and singing while speaking in tongues, the speaker, for himself also, should interpret what he is saying so that it is fruitful for his mind (1 Corinthians 14:14,15). If there is no interpreter in church, then the speaker should keep quiet and speak to himself and God (1 Corinthians 14:28).
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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    No, the foundation has been laid.

    Ephesians 2:20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the cornerstone.

    1 Corinthians 3:11
    For no one can lay a foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.
    No.

    The foundation was not laid in the deep Amazon.

    Rom 15:20 Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:

    LA
    My theology is that the elect of Israel became the scattered church among the nations, and when filled up with the full number of gentiles who believe to become one with them, then Christ will return and gather them, and God will then pour out His wrath on the unbelievers of both Jew and Gentile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Speaking in tongues was also for knowing more about God's Truth, and it needed to be interpreted.

    Those speaking in tongues could declare the wonders of God (Acts 2:11). They could also praise God in tongues (Acts 10:46). Not everyone spoke in tongues (1 Corinthians 14:5). If someone spoke in tongues, then they should pray that they should also interpret what they say, for the benefit of others (1 Corinthians 14:13,19). Even when praying and singing while speaking in tongues, the speaker, for himself also, should interpret what he is saying so that it is fruitful for his mind (1 Corinthians 14:14,15). If there is no interpreter in church, then the speaker should keep quiet and speak to himself and God (1 Corinthians 14:28).
    No.

    Tongues speaking edifies the speaker and others when interpreted.

    When we pray in tongues our spirit prays--

    1Co 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

    You can not pray with the spirit, for you are not spiritual.

    1Co 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

    1Co 14:36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
    1Co 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
    1Co 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
    1Co 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
    1Co 14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

    Tongues is not for new knowledge which you worship.

    1Co 14:25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

    1Co 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues,

    LA
    My theology is that the elect of Israel became the scattered church among the nations, and when filled up with the full number of gentiles who believe to become one with them, then Christ will return and gather them, and God will then pour out His wrath on the unbelievers of both Jew and Gentile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon View Post
    No.

    The foundation was not laid in the deep Amazon.

    Rom 15:20 Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:

    LA
    So you do not want to deal with the scriptures that I gave. You only want to try to nullify scripture with scripture.

    The New Testament times is DURING the LAYING of the FOUNDATION.

    Paul is not the only one who helped lay the foundation.


    Ephesians 2:20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.

    Psalm 118:22 The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief corner stone.

    1 Corinthians 3:11 For no one can lay a foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.

    1 Corinthians 3:10 By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise master builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one must be careful how he builds.

    2 Corinthians 10:16 so that we can preach the gospel in the regions beyond you. Then we will not be boasting in the work already done in another man's territory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon View Post
    No.

    The foundation was not laid in the deep Amazon.

    Rom 15:20 Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:

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    Jesus and the prophets, and the apostles are the foundation.

    You are none of those people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon View Post
    No.

    Tongues speaking edifies the speaker and others when interpreted.

    When we pray in tongues our spirit prays--

    You can not pray with the spirit, for you are not spiritual.

    Tongues is not for new knowledge which you worship.

    LA
    Prove it I worship new knowledge.

    As for you saying I am not spiritual, you are a false accuser.

    As for you saying tongue speaking edifies the speaker when interpreted...the scriptures say it edifies the speaker even when not interpreted.

    For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. That is about praying and NOT UNDERSTANDING. It does NOT mean to pray with understanding is to be not spiritual. You are without understanding and try too hard to slander. You are exactly what you falsely accused me of being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Prove it I worship new knowledge.
    You worship head knowledge.

    As for you saying I am not spiritual, you are a false accuser.
    Paul says you are not spiritual--

    1Co 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.




    As for you saying tongue speaking edifies the speaker when interpreted...the scriptures say it edifies the speaker even when not interpreted.
    That is what I said.


    For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. That is about praying and NOT UNDERSTANDING. It does NOT mean to pray with understanding is to be not spiritual. You are without understanding and try too hard to slander. You are exactly what you falsely accused me of being.
    When people disagree with you, then you accuse them of slandering, which is a sure sign of your doctrine being wrong, and you being evil.

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    My theology is that the elect of Israel became the scattered church among the nations, and when filled up with the full number of gentiles who believe to become one with them, then Christ will return and gather them, and God will then pour out His wrath on the unbelievers of both Jew and Gentile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon View Post
    You worship head knowledge.

    Paul says you are not spiritual--

    1Co 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

    That is what I said.

    When people disagree with you, then you accuse them of slandering, which is a sure sign of your doctrine being wrong, and you being evil.

    LA
    Everything you said is not truth and it is a twisting and distortion.

    I tell people they are slandering when they slander.

    Here are just a few things that prove you are an accuser and slanderer and it shows you are not telling the truth about me:

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    She can't
    Quote Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon View Post
    So you can not show from scripture that requested from you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon View Post

    You made all of that up.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon View Post
    … you are not spiritual.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon View Post
    ...you being evil.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon View Post
    You worship head knowledge.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon View Post

    Paul says you are not spiritual--.
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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    No, the foundation has been laid.

    Ephesians 2:20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the cornerstone.

    1 Corinthians 3:11
    For no one can lay a foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.
    Since Jesus Christ is the foundation and that foundation is done, then why did the apostles and others speak in tongues after the on the day of Pentecost and following.

    Who is the foundation?

    Which building's foundation are your referring to?

    a. the foundation of which Jesus Christ is the cornerstone with the apostles and prophets being part of the foundation as well

    b. the building whose foundation is solely Jesus Christ

    Are their two buildings? or one?
    "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

    "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

    Pro scripture = Protestant

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