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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahdog View Post
    No one is sure how the universe came about 13+ billion years ago, but there is no need for a god.
    No one is sure the universe came about 13+ billion years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lon View Post
    Logically, there is.
    No, logically there isn't.
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    If you are happy with illogic, I guess living in reality isn't a need?
    Belief in the supernatural isn't living in reality.
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    There is not such thing as 'meaning' without 'meaning.'
    1=2. I can prove it.
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    Think about it and try to disprove that. You won't ever be able to. Try.
    Why try? You can't prove "meaning without meaning" without invoking something you can't prove exists.
    "The more scientifically literate, intellectually honest and objectively skeptical a person is, the more likely they are to disbelieve in anything supernatural, including god."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahdog View Post
    No, really can't disprove your silliness.
    No, you really can't. Silly or not, you are correct.
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    Omniscient without man's qualification. John 1:3 "Nothing"
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    Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

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    Quote Originally Posted by jason69 View Post
    Does believing in evolution mean that you cant believe in creation?
    1/3 of all scientists believe in God. 17% more believe in some existence of deity.
    My New Years Resolution: 1 Peter 3:15
    Omniscient without man's qualification. John 1:3 "Nothing"
    Colossians 1:17 "Nothing" John 15:5 "Nothing"
    Mighty, ALL mighty (omnipotent). Revelation 1:8
    No possible limitation Isaiah 40:25 Joshua 24:15
    Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

    Is Calvinism okay? Yep

    Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think... Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21

    1Co 13:11 ... when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. Titus 3:10 Ephesians 4:29-32; 5:11

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahdog View Post
    Uh, wrong. Perhaps some science classes would do you well.
    Darwin proved adaptation to the environment had occurred.

    Inter species evolution has never been proved.


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    Quote Originally Posted by stephencbh View Post
    Darwin proved adaptation to the environment had occurred.

    Inter species evolution has never been proved.


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    Still lacking basic scientific knowledge I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lon View Post
    1/3 of all scientists believe in God. 17% more believe in some existence of deity.



    To Jason69,
    the dilemma of some kind of belief in both is answered in the unusual or unexpected method of creation. This method is found in the original chapters, and then in the recaps in Psalms or even as late as the New Testament: God spoke things into existence. I think we are to assume that natural laws as we know them were constantly abridged or trumped.

    For ex., when Christ walks on water in the synoptics, that overrules natural laws, but we also see in the same episode that when he tells the water to be calm, it happens quickly. Any mariner will tell you that it normally takes hours either to build up a wave system or for it to dissipate. Yet here we have a storm surge that has experienced fishermen pleading for their lives one minute, and the next it is calm. He speaks and things change. So a 'naturalized' view of this miracle would also miss the point.

    The dialectic of creation and evolution into a third kind of reality would miss the same point.

    Lewis addressed this in 'Science and Religion' in GOD IN THE DOCK. Uniformitarian mathematics will tell you that 'one coin will be placed in the drawer each day' (in Lewis' analogy) at a regular pace, so that 23 days from now you will have 23 coins. It (U. M.) can never hope to explain disruptions, interruptions, theft, excesses that will happen. For that, you have to find another kind of person to explain things.

    U'ism seeks total control of all data, to avoid the embarrassing reality that the world is actually quite a catastrophic place where lots of disruptive and excessive events have happened. For ex., the current theory on the entire central sedimentary area of Australia is that it formed very quickly, so quickly and powerfully that it 'folded' Ayers rock's subterranean section , which is some 10x the size of the piece showing on the surface, and is unpolished granite (it happened recently).
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    creation vs evolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahdog View Post
    Still lacking basic scientific knowledge I see.
    Most so called scientific knowledge sits on an assumption.

    What proof is there that a rodent evolved into a giraffe? And if all these animals evolved into 'higher beings' how come the 'lower beings' still exist?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahdog View Post
    No one is sure how the universe came about 13+ billion years ago, but there is no need for a god.
    I know exactly how the heavens and the earth became. Nearly 7,000 years ago.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    I know exactly how the heavens and the earth became. Nearly 7,000 years ago.
    Your knowledge is incorrect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahdog View Post
    Your knowledge is incorrect.
    If it were my knowledge I would probably have to agree, but it's not mine.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    If it were my knowledge I would probably have to agree, but it's not mine.
    But you said "I know exactly..." so your knowledge. Otherwise you don't know. Same way as it is your knowledge that lets you use your computer and internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahdog View Post
    But you said "I know exactly..." so your knowledge. Otherwise you don't know. Same way as it is your knowledge that lets you use your computer and internet.
    Don't you understand the concept of a gift. It becomes yours to use and enjoy, but you didn't acquire it by any means of your own.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    Don't you understand the concept of a gift. It becomes yours to use and enjoy, but you didn't acquire it by any means of your own.
    So you don't really "know" anything that you get via gift?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahdog View Post
    So you don't really "know" anything that you get via gift?
    Are you just being stupid for comedic effect?
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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