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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Shalom.

    I do not yet see anything about a Millennium in Ezekiel.

    Shalom.

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    So, you are an Amillennialist then.
    Amillennialism is the position of the Catholic
    Chruch
    and is derived from "Replacement Theology".

    The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the viper's den. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. - Isaiah 11:6-9

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    Quote Originally Posted by beameup View Post
    So, you are an Amillennialist then.
    Amillennialism is the position of the Catholic
    Chruch
    and is derived from "Replacement Theology".
    Shalom.

    No. You are incorrect. I am not an Amillennialist. I am a Jew. I grew up a Christian premillenial pretribulation rapture dispensationalist, which I am no longer. So I know about the pitfall of Amilennialism.

    Shalom.

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    John 1:40-41 NASB, John 1:49 NASB - 40 One of the two who heard John speak and followed Him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother. 41 He found first his own brother Simon and said to him, "We have found the Messiah" (which translated means Christ). 49 - Nathanael answered Him, "Rabbi, You are the Son of God; You are the King of Israel."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Shalom.

    No. You are incorrect. I am not an Amillennialist. I am a Jew. I grew up a Christian premillenial pretribulation rapture dispensationalist, which I am no longer. So I know about the pitfall of Amilennialism.

    Shalom.

    Jacob
    Well, you obviously don't believe in eschatology.
    You follow Catholicism, whether you know it or not.
    The RCC (or your sect) believes that we are in the
    Glorious Kingdom already, but Messiah is "ruling from heaven".
    Anyone can clearly see that we are already in the restored Eden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beameup View Post
    Well, you obviously don't believe in eschatology.
    You follow Catholicism, whether you know it or not.
    The RCC (or your sect) believes that we are in the
    Glorious Kingdom already, but Messiah is "ruling from heaven".
    Anyone can clearly see that we are already in the restored Eden.
    Shalom.

    I do not believe what you are saying here, so you are incorrect.

    I am a Jew. I am of Israel. The world would be a better place without Catholicism. There are many wrong beliefs. But I do not concern myself with them because I am a Jew.

    Shalom.

    Jacob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Shalom.

    I do not believe what you are saying here, so you are incorrect.

    I am a Jew. I am of Israel. The world would be a better place without Catholicism. There are many wrong beliefs. But I do not concern myself with them because I am a Jew.

    Shalom.

    Jacob
    What tribe are you from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beameup View Post
    What tribe are you from?
    Shalom.

    I do not know.

    Shalom.

    Jacob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Shalom.

    I do not know.

    Shalom.

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    All Jews (especially Messianic) should feel the need to return to Israel.
    The Jews that "remain behind in Babylon" (U.S.) are excluding themselves from God's blessing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beameup View Post
    All Jews (especially Messianic) should feel the need to return to Israel.
    The Jews that "remain behind in Babylon" (U.S.) are excluding themselves from God's blessing.
    Shalom. I am a Jew, of Israel. I wanted to be in Jerusalem for the feast, and I have never been to Israel.

    Shalom.

    Jacob
    John 1:40-41 NASB, John 1:49 NASB - 40 One of the two who heard John speak and followed Him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother. 41 He found first his own brother Simon and said to him, "We have found the Messiah" (which translated means Christ). 49 - Nathanael answered Him, "Rabbi, You are the Son of God; You are the King of Israel."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    They did. There is Israel. And there is the body of Christ, the body of Messiah. There is the family of God. I do not know when there is or is not a distinction. But my understanding is that the Gentiles are not the house of Israel and the house of Judah. One possibility that has been brought up is that people can be saved and not a part of the new covenant or not a part of Israel. It would be an interesting study. I devoted most of my life to this, and I am of Israel now. When a Gentile comes to faith do they become a part of the church, the body of Christ? Who are those who were formerly Gentiles in scripture? What about those who were strangers to the covenants (of promise) and not now any longer?

    Also, are you familiar with (Torah and) Isaiah 56:6?

    Shalom.

    Jacob
    The Grafted Branch of Israel.


    We are a grafted BRANCH into Israel; that means that Christians are now Israel in the new covenant. The elect have become the seed of Abraham by election and not birth.

    Jeremiah 31:31 "The time is coming", declares the Lord, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel." See also: Gen 35:10-11, Ex 20:8-10, Lev 19:34, Isa 9:3, Isa 26:15, Isa 44:5, Isa 46:13, Isa 56:3-6-8, Isa 62:2, Isa 65:15, and the examples go on.

    John 1:12- "sons of God"
    John 11:52- "gathering together in one the children of God."
    Rom 8:14-16- "are the children of God"
    2Cr 6:18- "shall be my sons and daughters"
    Gal 4:5-7- "heir of God through Christ"
    1John 3:2- "we should be called sons of God."
    Rom 9:6-7- "they are not all Israel, which are of Israel"
    Gal 4:25-30.."are the children of promise"
    Gal 3:7.."which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham"
    Gal 3:29.."And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
    2Cr 6:16.."I will be their God and they shall be my people."
    Eph 2:12-19.."That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
    But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
    For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
    Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, (enmity means hostility) [even / toward] the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of [twain / us] one new man, so making peace;
    And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the [cross / stake], having slain the enmity (hostility) thereby: And came and preached peace to you which were far away, and to them that were near. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God;"

    1Peter 2:9. "But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, and holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of Him who has called you out of darkness into his marvelous light:
    Which in time past (were not) a people, but (are now) the people of God: which hand not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy."

    John 17:22.."And the glory which you gave me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Epoisses View Post
    Those who constantly say this show they don't have a real experience with the Holy Spirit. Christianity is about living in the Spirit where our righteousness is automatic. Doesn't that sound better than constantly worrying and being filled with doubt?
    Oh I do have have a real experience with the Holy Spirit, and i also know by the Spirit that i must obey God. God wouldn't write his laws upon our hearts and in our minds of we didn't have to obey him.

    Hebrews 10

    This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these*is, there is no more offering for sin Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,*By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; And havingan high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works[

    2 Timothy 3

    But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.


    And our righteousness grows as Christ grows within. You can't plant a seed and then the next day the tree is in full bloom! It's gradual, and so is our life in God. If we are willing to lay down our lives and become a living sacrifice and turn from sin, then the Spirit will be giving us the strength through Christ to overcome daily, and as we die to our old self, then our old life will be gone and we will grow stronger in the Spirit and become stronger in God and the more Christ will be seen in us, and we should be living by the will of God.

    If we're not overcoming our flesh, then we are still living by our will and the lusts of our flesh and not by the will of God. And our Lord Jesus said, that it is those who live by the will of God, that enter into the kingdom of heaven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Shalom. I am a Jew, of Israel. I wanted to be in Jerusalem for the feast, and I have never been to Israel.

    Shalom.

    Jacob
    Jacob it's not going to Israel that is important, it's being in Israel in the Spirit, and I'm not talking about natural Israel, but spiritual Israel, those circumcised of the heart by the Spirit, and being born anew and living by the will of God. And Christ is the way the truth and the life. And he came as our perfect example to show us how to live before God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Shalom. I am a Jew, of Israel. I wanted to be in Jerusalem for the feast, and I have never been to Israel.

    Shalom.

    Jacob
    "Hebrew Roots" Movement is cultish. The Body of Christ is not Israel.
    Any Jew who remains in "Babylon" (like the U.S.) is disobedient,
    as the Holy Spirit Ruach Elohim is drawing Jews back to the Holy Land.

    Total misunderstanding of Romans 11 leads to serious doctrinal error.
    The ROOT of the Olive Tree is GOD
    Natural Branches (Jews) were "broken off" the ROOT (through unbelief)
    Wild Branches were "grafted in" to the ROOT (God)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    They did. There is Israel. And there is the body of Christ, the body of Messiah. There is the family of God. I do not know when there is or is not a distinction. But my understanding is that the Gentiles are not the house of Israel and the house of Judah. One possibility that has been brought up is that people can be saved and not a part of the new covenant or not a part of Israel. It would be an interesting study. I devoted most of my life to this, and I am of Israel now. When a Gentile comes to faith do they become a part of the church, the body of Christ? Who are those who were formerly Gentiles in scripture? What about those who were strangers to the covenants (of promise) and not now any longer?

    Also, are you familiar with (Torah and) Isaiah 56:6?

    Shalom.

    Jacob
    No the new covenant promise was only for the house of Judah and the house of Israel. So how did the gentiles receive the Holy Spirit with the remission of sins in the book of Acts? You have no answer for that because you only see Israel of the flesh. And if you knew anything at all there was no house of Israel in the 1st century. How does God ratify a covenant with one house missing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marhig View Post
    Oh I do have have a real experience with the Holy Spirit, and i also know by the Spirit that i must obey God. God wouldn't write his laws upon our hearts and in our minds of we didn't have to obey him.

    Hebrews 10

    This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these*is, there is no more offering for sin Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,*By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; And havingan high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works[

    2 Timothy 3

    But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.


    And our righteousness grows as Christ grows within. You can't plant a seed and then the next day the tree is in full bloom! It's gradual, and so is our life in God. If we are willing to lay down our lives and become a living sacrifice and turn from sin, then the Spirit will be giving us the strength through Christ to overcome daily, and as we die to our old self, then our old life will be gone and we will grow stronger in the Spirit and become stronger in God and the more Christ will be seen in us, and we should be living by the will of God.

    If we're not overcoming our flesh, then we are still living by our will and the lusts of our flesh and not by the will of God. And our Lord Jesus said, that it is those who live by the will of God, that enter into the kingdom of heaven.
    If you had a real experience with the Holy Spirit all your sins would be forgiven and you would live a life of love, joy and peace. You're still in Romans 7.

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    A Christian is always called upon to do that which is righteous, which breaking the moral commandments of God is not. But there is a point sabbath cults and Judaizers don't seem to grasp that, for the Christian, there are not necessarily ten commandments:

    Colossians 2:16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

    Romans 14:5-10 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

    More like nine commandments for the Christian, where that part of the Mosaic law is concerned, as New Testament scripture is clear that Jewish sabbath observance is optional, even mentioned in the same context as dietary laws. People who try to force sabbaths on others and judge other Christians on this basis are corrupt, in disobedience to scripture, are, indeed, Judaizers, or legalists, as many call this corrupt, cult practice. It's also fascinating that the cults never really keep the sabbath as required of Jews, the strict list of many prohibited behaviors. For instance, you find them disputing in web forums about the sabbath, on the sabbath!

    On the other hand, those who claim the law is null, that a Christian can be a liar, an adulterer, an idolater, et al, that moral law was done away with, know less than nothing of New Testament scripture, which is clear on repentance and righteousness. The entire Holy Bible is a treatise on the Holiness of God and dead seriousness against sin. The easy believism crowd doesn't like that word, repentance, think they can have a big helping of grace, and skip on the obedience part, have a big helping of a Savior, and skip on the Lord part. In essence, these verses do not sink in:

    John 4:23-24 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

    They miss the meaning of these verses, somehow, especially the MUST part of worshiping God in spirit and truth: it's not MAY BE A GOOD IDEA to worship in spirit and in truth, or OPTIONALLY worship in spirit and truth, one foot in hell. Doesn't work. Matthew 7:21-27, Luke 6:39-49. It actually seems quite ridiculous, this concept there's no new creature required, 2 Corinthians 5:17, that one can be Christian and lawless in a moral sense. That's just unrepentance, double-mindedness, fake faith.

    You know what the biggest problem with all Christendom is? That many do not realize there's a Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and it's not a Chinese menu, where you choose the scripture you like and ignore the rest. Somehow, there seems to be this notion God dictated far too many superfluous pages, that, as if, the New Testament could be a pamphlet, and God's verbose, doesn't mean it all, is being chatty or something? Do you call a jigsaw puzzle complete, after finding a dozen pieces? You'd say, "Of course not!" To that, anyway.

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