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    Quote Originally Posted by DAN P View Post
    Hi and read Heb 11:4 , !!
    Abel was saved by grace, not by killing an animal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    Gzlorydaz, Jesus is MARGINALIZED in MAD no matter how you present it it is WRONG. Jesus brought, taught, and died for HIS GOSPEL OF GRACE.



    I have been a Christian since 1978 and though those who buy into the "lie" of MAD are growing it is still wrong.

    There is only "one" Jesus and there is only gospel of grace as it pertains to Jesus !



    No it is NOT obvious it is scripture twisting, distortion, and taking the meaning out of context !



    And He also said there are sheep of another folks that HE must bring into the fold...OH SNAP Jesus had us on His heart and mind also.



    And He also said there are sheep of another folks that HE must bring into the fold...OH SNAP Jesus had us on His heart and mind also.

    The folks that believe in "2" or more gospels as pertaining to salvation have distorted scripture to get there,sadly.
    Yes, I see you are stuck on the wrong side of the cross.

    You're totally unable and unwilling to hear what the RISEN LORD revealed to Paul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    Mad, Roman Catholics, Jehovah Witnesses, and all the others that marginalize Jesus to follow someone else all do it the same way. They distort , ignore, take out of context and place someone on par or above Jesus and His teachings.

    By your idiotic standard, NO ONE can follow Him without following the words given to someone else to write - if not Paul, then Matthew, et al. Christ Himself physically wrote down NOTHING.

    You really are dense, kid.
    Not a single cluster of living fruit was, or ever will be, harvested from the tree of legality. Law can only produce “dead works,” from which we need to have conscience purged just as much as from “wicked works.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    All you prove is the fact that you are able to trick your mind into believing anything, no matter how ridiculous!
    Jesus said," unless you have the faith of a child you will in no way enter into the kingdom of heaven. He said it I believe it and that settles it for me.

    You tell a child something they believe it without question or debate and I suggest you follow Jesus that way.
    Heb 4:2
    For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    The folks that believe in "2" or more gospels as pertaining to salvation have distorted scripture to get there,sadly.
    It is you who is constantly denying the Scriptures.

    What was preached to the Jews was the "good news" (gospel) that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God.And those who believed that gospel were saved (Jn.20:30-31;1 Jn.5:1-5).

    What was preached to the Gentiles was the "good news" that Christ died for our sins. And those who believed that truth were saved (1 Cor.15:1-4).

    In case you cannot add then one plus one is two!

    Not one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    By your idiotic standard, NO ONE can follow Him without following the words given to someone else to write - if not Paul, then Matthew, et al. Christ Himself physically wrote down NOTHING.

    You really are dense, kid.
    Looks like a good excuse to ignore what Jesus taught and said for you !

    Dense is ignoring Jesus to follow Paul who said to follow Jesus now that is dense.
    Heb 4:2
    For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    Looks like a good excuse to ignore what Jesus taught and said for you !
    What He said to me? Acording to which writer, Einstein?

    You are stupider than the Meshak JWs. At least they know when to shut up for a while
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    It is you who is constantly denying the Scriptures.

    What was preached to the Jews was the "good news" (gospel) that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God.And those who believed that gospel were saved (Jn.20:30-31;1 Jn.5:1-5).

    What was preached to the Gentiles was the "good news" that Christ died for our sins. And those who believed that truth were saved (1 Cor.15:1-4).

    In case you cannot add then one plus one is two!

    Not one!
    Jerry there is a division that you have created for yourself, that does not exist in scripture.

    Jerry , how many Jesus' are there 'ONE" can you count 1+0=1. One Jesus one Gospel you have been deceived !
    Heb 4:2
    For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    I see a fracturing and a division that those in MAD believe and promote that is NOT in scripture.
    "All" scripture... 2 Tim. 3:16

    But it must be "dispensationally" divided to create accurate doctrine! (2nd Tim. 2:15)

    It is wrong to lock up scripture as Paul clearly disputes this point n Timothy... but you cannot "understand" dispensational flow if you don't take time of writing and dispensational intent into account.

    If this weren't the case... We would all be under the Law. Paul provided a clear dispensational lens of the two big covenants in Galatians.

    You can't ignore dispensational intent if you want to go past Christ's DBR.
    Open (Beyond Time ...1 Ki. 8:27) Relational to us within Time (John 1:1)
    Dispensational (2 Ti. 2:15)
    It's All About Jesus and He's the theology (John 5:39f)
    Biblical (2 Ti. 3:16)
    Zionist (Rm. 11:25-36)
    There is only one Commentary!
    (1 John 2:27; Rm. 8:9; Php. 1:19; Mt. 23:8)

    Salvation is Free (Eph. 2:8f) !!! It depends on his strength, not mine!!! (2 Co. 12:9)

    Stupid things Tet says...

    Quote Originally Posted by tetelestai View Post
    The old heavens and old earth was the law and the Old Covenant.

    The new heavens and new earth is the New Covenant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    Jesus said," unless you have the faith of a child you will in no way enter into the kingdom of heaven. He said it I believe it and that settles it for me.

    You tell a child something they believe it without question or debate and I suggest you follow Jesus that way.
    Wherever Paul preached he "reasoned" out of the Scriptures (Acts 17:2). We must throw our reason to the wind if we are to believe that the Lord Jesus was standing on the earth while talking to Nicodemus and He told Nicodemus that He was actually in heaven!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    Jerry there is a division that you have created for yourself, that does not exist in scripture.

    Jerry , how many Jesus' are there 'ONE" can you count 1+0=1. One Jesus one Gospel you have been deceived !
    Rom 1:3 vs Rom 16:25, son.
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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    What He said to me? Acording to which writer, Einstein?

    You are stupider than the Meshak JWs. At least they know when to shut up for a while
    John 3:16 for starters there it is go ahead and ignore it as you ignore what Jesus taught.

    How about the "seed" of the gospel 4 different folks ONE WORD why , because there is only one Gospel.

    I am responding to YOUR post so who is "stupid" ?
    Heb 4:2
    For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Abel was saved by grace, not by killing an animal.
    You missed it... Faith! It is in Heb. 11 which is known as "The Faith Chapter".

    Abels "faith" was counted as "righteousness".

    This is a dispensational lead up, but the Gospel wasn't revealed yet.
    Open (Beyond Time ...1 Ki. 8:27) Relational to us within Time (John 1:1)
    Dispensational (2 Ti. 2:15)
    It's All About Jesus and He's the theology (John 5:39f)
    Biblical (2 Ti. 3:16)
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    There is only one Commentary!
    (1 John 2:27; Rm. 8:9; Php. 1:19; Mt. 23:8)

    Salvation is Free (Eph. 2:8f) !!! It depends on his strength, not mine!!! (2 Co. 12:9)

    Stupid things Tet says...

    Quote Originally Posted by tetelestai View Post
    The old heavens and old earth was the law and the Old Covenant.

    The new heavens and new earth is the New Covenant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Wherever Paul preached he "reasoned" out of the Scriptures (Acts 17:2). We must throw our reason to the wind if we are to believe that the Lord Jesus was standing on the earth while talking to Nicodemus and He told Nicodemus that He was actually in heaven!
    You AND THOSE IN mad THREW REASON TO THE WIND WHEN THEY BOUGHT INTO THE LIE OF gospels WHEN THERE IS ONLY one.
    Heb 4:2
    For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    John 3:16 for starters there it is go ahead and ignore it as you ignore what Jesus taught.
    No, you mean what JOHN taught that Christ taught. Too bad you're too dumb to get the point.

    I am responding to YOUR post so who is "stupid" ?
    You are, kid.
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