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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    Since when is "I wish ye all speak the same things" a bad thing, by the way?
    When it's not in harmony with the tenets of Dymoism.
    Not a single cluster of living fruit was, or ever will be, harvested from the tree of legality. Law can only produce “dead works,” from which we need to have conscience purged just as much as from “wicked works.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    He thinks this is how he gets out of it, by always saying we're too narrow [stupid] to understand that his repeated condescension, slander and contention are just jokes. Our failure to get it is all our fault.

    He's lying. He means every word that he posts.
    He does it because he likes doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    He thinks this is how he gets out of it, by always saying we're too narrow [stupid] to understand that his repeated condescension, slander and contention are just jokes. Our failure to get it is all our fault.

    He's lying. He means every word that he posts.
    You are an incompetent and a bigot who's grace is anything but.

    You are a fool who projects his every hypocrisy into the words of others.

    Get yourself a job as a projectionist; I understand the pay is good

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    You are an incompetent and a bigot who's grace is anything but.

    You are a fool who projects his every hypocrisy into the words of others.

    Get yourself a job as a projectionist; I understand the pay is good
    When you see me repeatedly slandering those I call brothers and sisters, despite their reproof, you be sure to let me know.
    Not a single cluster of living fruit was, or ever will be, harvested from the tree of legality. Law can only produce “dead works,” from which we need to have conscience purged just as much as from “wicked works.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    When you see me repeatedly slandering those I call brothers and sisters, despite their reproof, you be sure to let me know.
    I just did, just that.

    And no, Tam; I am not you. You are the one bragging about how tough as nails you are.

    So be it, then; hypocrites.

    Matthew 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post

    And no, Tam; I am not you. You are the one bragging about how tough as nails you are.
    You are just taking it too literal.
    You are a fool who projects his every hypocrisy into the words of others.

    Matthew 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
    Try that instead of kicking the dust in their faces.
    Hypocrite.

    God Bless America

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    You are just taking it too literal.
    You are a fool who projects his every hypocrisy into the words of others.

    Try that instead of kicking the dust in their faces.
    Hypocrite.
    Rubbish.

    That instruction in that passage is valid.

    Musti has always made it clear he has meant what he has said about me, and you agree with his hypocrisy.

    The bigot has even posted his wanting a TOL where everyone who does not hold his extremism has been banned.

    As for the other - you're a new creature in Christ.

    You have no business boasting of what a tough old woman you are.

    None.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post

    You have no business boasting of what a tough old woman you are.
    No brag, just fact.

    And you forgot "pretty".
    A tough old pretty woman.


    But enough about me.
    Let's hear some more of your boasting about how much your perception of others, and scripture, is superior to all the rest of us.

    God Bless America

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    The Gospel of grace was not the mystery, not the main one addressed by Paul in Eph 3:6. Obviously it is not the mystery of I Cor 15's change or Israel's hardness. No question there, but many people think the Gospel itself was a mystery. Nope. That it was the official channel for sharing the inheritance of Israel with the nations is the mystery that befuddled Israel's leaders, Judaism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    You are an incompetent and a bigot who's grace is anything but.

    You are a fool who projects his every hypocrisy into the words of others.

    Get yourself a job as a projectionist; I understand the pay is good
    What is this about, Danoh?:

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    If it is, then you smiling while implying JohnW is homosexual is wicked slander.

    You aren't fooling anyone.
    Saint John W

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    The Gospel of grace was not the mystery, not the main one addressed by Paul in Eph 3:6. Obviously it is not the mystery of I Cor 15's change or Israel's hardness. No question there, but many people think the Gospel itself was a mystery. Nope. That it was the official channel for sharing the inheritance of Israel with the nations is the mystery that befuddled Israel's leaders, Judaism.
    Sure it is, the gospel of Christ is the mystery of Christ.
    The mystery of the gospel is found in Eph 3, which concerns Gentiles outside the covenant promises.

    Study the good book, and believe.
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    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
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    You're too literal to get it.
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    The New Covenant preceded the Old Covenant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    but many people think the Gospel itself was a mystery. Nope.
    The nuts and bolts of it can be found in the prophets, but to have it put together into a unit and presented as the good news was not known...nope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    The nuts and bolts of it can be found in the prophets, but to have it put together into a unit and presented as the good news was not known...nope.
    I believe the OT prophets laid out more than nuts and bolts:

    Isiah:
    Surely he hath borne our griefs,
    and carried our sorrows:

    yet we did esteem him stricken,
    smitten of God, and afflicted.
    5 But he was wounded for our transgressions,
    he was bruised for our iniquities:

    the chastisement of our peace was upon him;
    and with his stripes we are healed.
    6 All we like sheep have gone astray;

    we have turned every one to his own way;
    and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
    7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted,
    yet he opened not his mouth:
    he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter,
    and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb,
    so he openeth not his mouth.
    8 He was taken from prison and from judgment:
    and who shall declare his generation?
    for he was cut off out of the land of the living:
    for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
    9 And he made his grave with the wicked,
    and with the rich in his death;
    because he had done no violence,
    neither was any deceit in his mouth.
    10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him;
    he hath put him to grief:
    when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin,
    he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days,
    and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
    11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied:
    by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many;
    for he shall bear their iniquities.
    12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great,
    and he shall divide the spoil with the strong;
    because he hath poured out his soul unto death:
    and he was numbered with the transgressors;
    and he bare the sin of many,

    and made intercession for the transgressors.
    Heb 4:2
    For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    I believe the OT prophets laid out more than nuts and bolts:

    Isiah:
    Surely he hath borne our griefs,
    and carried our sorrows:

    yet we did esteem him stricken,
    smitten of God, and afflicted.
    5 But he was wounded for our transgressions,
    he was bruised for our iniquities:

    the chastisement of our peace was upon him;
    and with his stripes we are healed.
    6 All we like sheep have gone astray;

    we have turned every one to his own way;
    and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
    7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted,
    yet he opened not his mouth:
    he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter,
    and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb,
    so he openeth not his mouth.
    8 He was taken from prison and from judgment:
    and who shall declare his generation?
    for he was cut off out of the land of the living:
    for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
    9 And he made his grave with the wicked,
    and with the rich in his death;
    because he had done no violence,
    neither was any deceit in his mouth.
    10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him;
    he hath put him to grief:
    when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin,
    he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days,
    and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
    11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied:
    by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many;
    for he shall bear their iniquities.
    12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great,
    and he shall divide the spoil with the strong;
    because he hath poured out his soul unto death:
    and he was numbered with the transgressors;
    and he bare the sin of many,

    and made intercession for the transgressors.

    Hi and I believe what verse you have written , BUT what do they have to do with the MYSTERY that was given to Paul in Gal 1:12 !!

    Paul received it by Revelation also in Eph 3:3 and in Rom 16:25 !!

    dan p

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAN P View Post
    Hi and I believe what verse you have written , BUT what do they have to do with the MYSTERY that was given to Paul in Gal 1:12 !!

    Paul received it by Revelation also in Eph 3:3 and in Rom 16:25 !!

    dan p
    dan ,read it again it explains the mystery that God withheld the meaning of for a TIME.

    DAN, if you cannot see the gospel in the following you are SPIRITUALLY blind.

    5 But he was wounded for our transgressions,
    he was bruised for our iniquities:
    the chastisement of our peace was upon him;
    and with his stripes we are healed.

    6 All we like sheep have gone astray;
    we have turned every one to his own way;
    and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
    Heb 4:2
    For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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