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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    You beat everthang, you know that?
    I try, Mayor. Repeat after me......Acapella....Acapella....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    You beat everthang, you know that?
    You might want to tell your buddy J.W. to start reading a bible as he does not know very much.

    Jesus fulfilled the law as in the law came by Moses but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
    Heb 4:2
    For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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    Judas was chosen because he was a devil. I like to bring that up with Judas. The worker bees want to say he lost his salvation under the one gospel.
    Jesus saves completely. http://www.climatedepot.com/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

    Titus 1

    For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

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    11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    The gospel is the gospel, 1 Cor 15:1-4 (KJV)

    The mystery of the gospel is that it includes those outside the blessings of Gen 12:1-3 (KJV), even those who are the cursed.
    Which explains why it's called a dispensation of GRACE.
    Not a single cluster of living fruit was, or ever will be, harvested from the tree of legality. Law can only produce “dead works,” from which we need to have conscience purged just as much as from “wicked works.”

    C. H. Mackintosh


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    STP wrote:]
    The mystery of the gospel is that it includes those outside the blessings of Gen 12:1-3 (KJV), even those who are the cursed.


    There is no NT passage that says so, and there is no NT passage that says this is the mystery--this 'includes...even...' bit. Yet STP insists he is the Bible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    STP wrote:]
    The mystery of the gospel is that it includes those outside the blessings of Gen 12:1-3 (KJV), even those who are the cursed.


    There is no NT passage that says so, and there is no NT passage that says this is the mystery--this 'includes...even...' bit.

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    Yep

    But then again; I always concede a point where valid; no matter who makes it.

    We're agreed on this one, bro.

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    If the NT declares something on the promise, STP says it is assinine.

    If STP declares something on the promise, it is not found in the NT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    STP wrote:]
    The mystery of the gospel is that it includes those outside the blessings of Gen 12:1-3 (KJV), even those who are the cursed.


    There is no NT passage that says so, and there is no NT passage that says this is the mystery--this 'includes...even...' bit. Yet STP insists he is the Bible.
    The Law is a curse, Gal 3:10.

    But it is removed from those in Christ, Gal 3:13. Law has no purpose in their lives, for they died to Law in Him.

    This fact was a secret revealed through Paul, not before.

    Death itself is a curse. All creation groans under futility and death, Rom 8:20. But one day, death will be no more, Rev 21:4.

    You are dismissed. Take your bro with you.
    Not a single cluster of living fruit was, or ever will be, harvested from the tree of legality. Law can only produce “dead works,” from which we need to have conscience purged just as much as from “wicked works.”

    C. H. Mackintosh


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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    STP wrote:]
    The mystery of the gospel is that it includes those outside the blessings of Gen 12:1-3 (KJV), even those who are the cursed.


    There is no NT passage that says so, and there is no NT passage that says this is the mystery--this 'includes...even...' bit. Yet STP insists he is the Bible.
    You have not read Ephesians, then.
    You have read commentaries about it.
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    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
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    You're too literal to get it.
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    The New Covenant preceded the Old Covenant.

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    Everyone take a second, and think.

    Genesis 12:1-3 (KJV)

    Until late in Paul's ministry, Gentiles who were not associated with Israel were cursed.

    Then Paul was given the dispensation of the grace of God for these Gentiles, and the gospel of the grace of God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    If the NT declares something on the promise, STP says it is assinine.

    If STP declares something on the promise, it is not found in the NT.
    Nope. Your commentaries have warped your thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    I try, Mayor. Repeat after me......Acapella....Acapella....
    Danoh....you and me, the big freeze?
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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    The Law is a curse, Gal 3:10.

    But it is removed from those in Christ, Gal 3:13. Law has no purpose in their lives, for they died to Law in Him.

    This fact was a secret revealed through Paul, not before.

    Death itself is a curse. All creation groans under futility and death, Rom 8:20. But one day, death will be no more, Rev 21:4.

    You are dismissed. Take your bro with you.




    The promised Gospel does bless all who have faith (who were cursed at one time) but I was pretty sure he meant 'those who curse Israel' or (later) those descended from Ishmael.

    I never imagined he would actually be saying what the NT says because he has been so hostile to doing so. I mean that it would be true in the Gospel or in Christ like the NT says. Because to him the whole concept of in Christ is called bonkers, and non-literal.
    Last edited by Interplanner; April 20th, 2017 at 07:27 AM. Reason: missing "to him" in last line
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    The promised Gospel does bless all who have faith (who were cursed at one time) but I was pretty sure he meant 'those who curse Israel' or (later) those descended from Ishmael.

    I never imagined he would actually be saying what the NT says because he has been so hostile to doing so. I mean that it would be true in the Gospel or in Christ like the NT says. Because the whole concept of in Christ is called bonkers, and non-literal.
    No Gentile, apart from being associated with Israel, was blessed until later in Paul's ministry.
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