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Thread: Who actually revealed the "mystery" of the Gospel of grace ? Was Paul the first ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    But if you read 3:5-6 closely and grammatically, it was not the FACT of the Gospel that was the mystery, nor the outreach to the nations. It call comes down to the prepositional phrase 'in the Gospel.' The mystery was that the fulfilled promises and benefits are true in the Gospel. Not in the Law, or you might say, not in the literal sense.

    You can check several trans and see that they are trying to put the weight of v6 on 'in the Gospel' as the Greek case shows. It is the same as saying 'in Christ.' Which is why the two are usually interchangeable.
    IP, Gen 3 was the first mention in scripture of the defeat of Satan, and that defeat only happened through Jesus,
    The RCC where Jesus and His words have been marginalized , His teachings replaced with Traditions of men, His gospel changed, His rightful worship given to a goddess , and His ministry of the Holy Spirit supplanted by a sinful man called pope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    IP, Gen 3 was the first mention in scripture of the defeat of Satan, and that defeat only happened through Jesus,


    OK...that is also why it would not be a mystery!

    What is mystery (to Judaism) in Eph 3:6 is that the sharing comes through the Gospel. The sharing of inheritance, membership. Not through the Law.

    Please remember: most of the NT is spoken to Judaism as it was at that time. That's why Paul was divinely arrested by God; because he was the spox at the time. And as you may notice: there is no small friction with Judaism.

    The redemption in the Gospel is no mystery.

    The fact that it would go to the nations is no mystery.

    That leaves only that the things shared, the co-inheritance, was to come through the Gospel, not the Law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    Obfuscation is to put on cartoons when you mention that these things are fulfilled in Christ already. That's what STP has done dozens of times, and why he is on ignore to me. No one can do NT theology right when 'in Christ' is lost, abuse, ignored, mixed up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    OK...that is also why it would not be a mystery!

    What is mystery (to Judaism) in Eph 3:6 is that the sharing comes through the Gospel. The sharing of inheritance, membership. Not through the Law.

    Please remember: most of the NT is spoken to Judaism as it was at that time. That's why Paul was divinely arrested by God; because he was the spox at the time. And as you may notice: there is no small friction with Judaism.

    The redemption in the Gospel is no mystery.

    The fact that it would go to the nations is no mystery.

    That leaves only that the things shared, the co-inheritance, was to come through the Gospel, not the Law.
    There was a mystery hidden in the scriptures: That Christ would die for sins
    There was a mystery hidden in God: That Christ would die for those outside the covenant promises

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