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    “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

    ― Theodore Roosevelt

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    has he won the nobel peace prize yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    has he won the nobel peace prize yet?
    Two of them. He's the best and the greatest.
    “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

    ― Theodore Roosevelt

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    surely there's something he could win that would be huuuger than the NPP

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    I know!


    he should create a "President Donald Trump Award For Awesomeness Greater Than Those Goofy Dopes In Sweden Could Ever Recognize" and award it to himself!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fool View Post
    And neither did the Democrats until they lost. Show me one post of your about getting rid of the EC from before the election.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...c5d_story.html

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    He vanquished two political Dynasties for half the money.
    He beat dollars with Rubles. That's all.

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    A complete outsider!
    A complete outsider...with the assistance of a foreign government's intelligence operations, several major media organizations, our own FBI, the full endorsement of one of our main political parties, and a real estate empire. Yeah, total outsider.

    I guess you could say that Moscow's candidate is an outsider...

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    Hillary has been preparing for this for 16 years!
    Do you think that helped, or hurt her?

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    Come to think of it I guess I love Obama now because he whooped her the first time.

    If 20 Trillion in debt is sane then I'll have a double helping of crazy please.
    Having a $20 trillion debt isn't crazy in a country the size of ours. Defaulting on it would be. There's only one politician in recent times who has talked seriously about doing that.
    Global warming denialists are like gravity denialists piloting a helicopter, determined to prove a point. We may not have time to actually persuade them of their mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    If you are not a Trump supporter
    What has he done that you despise?
    He's betrayed this country and committed treason. He's attacked just about everyone he perceives as an enemy. He comforts the comfortable and afflicts the afflicted. He's fought a war against science and reality itself. He's attempted to dismantle basic, sensible regulations and attempted to destroy the planet. He undermines democratic institutions at home and abroad, and he supports strongmen and dictators aspiring and actualized. He corrupts and cashes in on his office, and enriches his friends and family at the expense of everyone else.

    So, there's really nothing to like about what he's done so far, other than uniting the Left against him.

    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    What would it take for you to support him?[/center]
    He could resign. I'd support that.

    Otherwise, he'd have to reverse course on nearly every initiative he's attempted, and be cleared of illegal involvement with Russia, and cut out the jingoism, and divest of his businesses, and give back all the money he got from foreign leaders staying at his properties.

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    On either side, what could he do or fail to do that would make you change your mind about him?
    He's said he wants to fill Gitmo with his "some bad dudes". He could fill it with his family and his senior advisors, and then go down there and join them. Perhaps that could be his first campaign pledge fulfilled.

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    I am hoping those on either side of the divide will go on record now, early in his presidency, to suggest things that could be done to sway your opinion and what has established your opinion thus far.
    There's really nothing he could do at this point. He could change all his stances, and he'd still be a Russian asset. And if he weren't a Russian asset, he'd still be corrupt. He's tainted, he belongs in jail, along with Jared, Ivanka, Don Jr., and Eric.
    Global warming denialists are like gravity denialists piloting a helicopter, determined to prove a point. We may not have time to actually persuade them of their mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    What, if anything, should be done about Syria?
    What Syria needs is a negotiated agreement that allows a transition without retribution. And that would require an international community with a commitment to human rights and meaningful accountability. But Russia would sabotage anything like that.

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    Do you support or oppose what Trump has done thus far?
    Firing a few missiles at random? Oppose. It's all for show. Did you notice that the Russians didn't make even an attempt to intercept our missiles? This is war for the cameras.

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    What, if anything, should be done about North Korea?
    Signs of strength and solidarity. Don't provoke, and don't threaten.

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    Do you support the dropping of the M.O.A.B bomb in Afghanistan?
    I really don't care. I think this got way more attention than it deserved.

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    There are issues that Trump has noticeably shifted from as president as opposed to what he said during his campaign.
    1. Is NATO obsolete?
    No.


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    2. Is China a currency manipulator?
    Probably to some extent. It's not worth starting a trade war over.

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    3. Should he support the U.S. Export-Import Bank?
    Yes.

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    4. What should our relationship with Russia look like?
    Skeptical. More sanctions. We need to start rebuilding an alliance against them. Help Ukraine, help the rebels in Syria, help Georgia, reenforce the Baltic states. Offer Putin an off-ramp from the current path, but continue to indict their hackers.

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    5. Is our military in shambles?
    Hardly. Our State Department is, for one main reason: It's being sabotaged from within. That could destroy us.

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    6. Should Janet Yellen be nominated to second term as fed chair?
    I have no major objections to her. She's better than anyone Trump is likely to come up with.

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    7. What should be done with Obamacare and what should replace it?
    Expand medicaid further. Allow medicaid to negotiate drug prices. Allow the orderly import of drugs from other countries.

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    8. What's up with the border wall? It Mexico paying for it?
    Respectively, it's probably not going to happen, and no. And that's a good thing.

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    9. Is Trump going to deport more illegal immigrants than Obama?
    Probably.

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    10. Does torture work?
    No.

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    11. Should Hilary be "locked up"?
    No. Trump should be.
    Global warming denialists are like gravity denialists piloting a helicopter, determined to prove a point. We may not have time to actually persuade them of their mistake.

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    It was slightly surprising, when it came out that Michael Flynn had been an undisclosed lobbyist that the country he was lobbying for was not actually Russia, but Turkey. It was strange because all the smoke around the Trump administration was related to Russia, up to then. It was strange...until today.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...-russia-237550

    There's a cloud of treason over the Trump administration.
    Global warming denialists are like gravity denialists piloting a helicopter, determined to prove a point. We may not have time to actually persuade them of their mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rexlunae View Post
    He's betrayed this country and committed treason.
    so prove it, get him impeached and let's get on with the Pence presidency

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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    Trump is a super-duper higher better better President.

    the blanket fort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rexlunae View Post
    What Syria needs is a negotiated agreement that allows a transition without retribution. And that would require an international community with a commitment to human rights and meaningful accountability. But Russia would sabotage anything like that.
    I wonder what it would take for Putin to change his stance toward Assad. I've seen some explanations for why he supports Assad and perhaps it made some sense at the beginning but now it seems like it should be more trouble than it is worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    so prove it, get him impeached and let's get on with the Pence presidency
    Not my job, but there are people working on it. The question is, will the Republicans in Congress take his treachery seriously. Many of them are just as bad, and I think some of them are knowingly complicit.
    Global warming denialists are like gravity denialists piloting a helicopter, determined to prove a point. We may not have time to actually persuade them of their mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmoney View Post
    I wonder what it would take for Putin to change his stance toward Assad. I've seen some explanations for why he supports Assad and perhaps it made some sense at the beginning but now it seems like it should be more trouble than it is worth.
    I don't think it's within his character. He won't, no matter what.

    What we're facing right now is a kind of international neo-Nationalism, lead by Russia. Russian nationalism is expansionist, but in other countries, it tends to cause countries to turn away from the world stage, which plays into Russia's interests. This is the only thing Putin cares about. The Syrian people are grist for the mill.
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    Trump: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

    Only the Republicans could face the prospect of a government shutdown despite having control of the White House and numerical majorities in the House and Senate - it doesn't get much "uglier" than that!

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