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    Trump: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

    I noticed that no one has of yet started a thread about President Trump

    If you are a Trump supporter
    What has Trump done that you think is just great?
    What would it take for you to change your mind about Trump being a good president?

    If you are not a Trump supporter
    What has he done that you despise?
    What would it take for you to support him?


    On either side, what could he do or fail to do that would make you change your mind about him?

    I am hoping those on either side of the divide will go on record now, early in his presidency, to suggest things that could be done to sway your opinion and what has established your opinion thus far.
    “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    I noticed that no one has of yet started a thread about President Trump



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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    I noticed that no one has of yet started a thread about President Trump

    If you are a Trump supporter
    What has Trump done that you think is just great?
    What would it take for you to change your mind about Trump being a good president?

    If you are not a Trump supporter
    What has he done that you despise?
    What would it take for you to support him?


    On either side, what could he do or fail to do that would make you change your mind about him?

    I am hoping those on either side of the divide will go on record now, early in his presidency, to suggest things that could be done to sway your opinion and what has established your opinion thus far.
    President Trump is the best ever !!! President Trump can do no wrong !!!
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    What, if anything, should be done about Syria? Do you support or oppose what Trump has done thus far?
    What, if anything, should be done about North Korea?

    Do you support the dropping of the M.O.A.B bomb in Afghanistan?

    There are issues that Trump has noticeably shifted from as president as opposed to what he said during his campaign.
    1. Is NATO obsolete?
    2. Is China a currency manipulator?
    3. Should he support the U.S. Export-Import Bank?
    4. What should our relationship with Russia look like?
    5. Is our military in shambles?
    6. Should Janet Yellen be nominated to second term as fed chair?
    7. What should be done with Obamacare and what should replace it?
    8. What's up with the border wall? It Mexico paying for it?
    9. Is Trump going to deport more illegal immigrants than Obama?
    10. Does torture work?
    11. Should Hilary be "locked up"?
    “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    President Trump is the best ever !!! President Trump can do no wrong !!!
    What has he done or what could be do that makes or would make him the best ever?

    Be specific.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    What has he done or what could be do that makes or would make him the best ever?

    Be specific.
    He is keeping all his promises, it's not even 100 days yet. He is draining the swamp, raising the stock market to record numbers and bringing new jobs to America. He appointed a great SC Judge. Tax cuts and healthcare are coming soon, as well as infrastructure plan and the WALL. He has taken back America's military strength and gotten worldwide support. Not even 100 days
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    He is keeping all his promises
    That's not quite true but I'm not here to knock the guy.

    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    He is draining the swamp
    How has he 'drained the swamp'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post



    How has he 'drained the swamp'?
    He's streamlining and shrinking big government, removing tons of regulations and undoing Obama's mess
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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    If you are not a Trump supporter
    What has he done that you despise?
    What would it take for you to support him?[/center]
    My #1 complaint at the moment is probably his environmental actions. He's doing everything he can to remove protections that were put into place and bring jobs back into a dying coal industry. It's not forward thinking. 2nd place might be his attempted immigration bans. I didn't like most of the people he nominated for his cabinet.

    I don't know what it would take for me to become his supporter. Probably nothing that has any likelihood of happening. Some of the items you list below help, like his softening stance toward NATO and China. And I could have a better view of him if he would just act like someone who belongs in that office. For example, he recently commented on and defended Bill O'Reilly. Why is the President getting involved in the sexual harassment allegations of a Fox News guy? Does he have any idea if Bill is innocent or not??

    On Syria, I mostly like him taking a hard stance against the use of chemical weapons but I have concerns about the underlying motivation. Launching strikes based on an emotional reaction without a clear vision and plan isn't good. What will he do going forward?

    I don't know what to say about NK. They scare me more than anyone right now because they might be crazy enough to actually nuke us or someone else. I don't want to provoke them to do anything rash.

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    He's already done the best thing for us ------- kept Hillary from being our President.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    He's already done the best thing for us ------- kept Hillary from being our President.
    No, that was the electoral college. And all the deplorables that voted for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmoney View Post
    No, that was the electoral college. And all the deplorables that voted for him.
    Thank GOD for the electoral college and all the deplorables that voted for him.

    Hillary voters

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmoney View Post
    My #1 complaint at the moment is probably his environmental actions. He's doing everything he can to remove protections that were put into place and bring jobs back into a dying coal industry. It's not forward thinking.

    There is plenty of coal on this planet. It provides cheap energy. Starving the nation from cheap energy drives up energy prices. That slows down economic growth. How is that forward thinking?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    He's already done the best thing for us ------- kept Hillary from being our President.
    The difference is that Trump picks on countries that can't fight back. Hillary would've started WWIII with Russia by now & DC would be gone!
    Contrary to what many Americans seem to think, the document we now call "the Constitution" and the Declaration of Independence are not pretty much the same thing or "connected in spirit," or "two sides of the same coin." The two documents were written by two different groups of people at two different times to accomplish two totally different goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    He is keeping all his promises, it's not even 100 days yet.
    Ok, but all the promises that involve *not* bombing have gone by the wayside.
    Contrary to what many Americans seem to think, the document we now call "the Constitution" and the Declaration of Independence are not pretty much the same thing or "connected in spirit," or "two sides of the same coin." The two documents were written by two different groups of people at two different times to accomplish two totally different goals.

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