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    Trump: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

    I noticed that no one has of yet started a thread about President Trump

    If you are a Trump supporter
    What has Trump done that you think is just great?
    What would it take for you to change your mind about Trump being a good president?

    If you are not a Trump supporter
    What has he done that you despise?
    What would it take for you to support him?


    On either side, what could he do or fail to do that would make you change your mind about him?

    I am hoping those on either side of the divide will go on record now, early in his presidency, to suggest things that could be done to sway your opinion and what has established your opinion thus far.
    “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    I noticed that no one has of yet started a thread about President Trump



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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    I noticed that no one has of yet started a thread about President Trump

    If you are a Trump supporter
    What has Trump done that you think is just great?
    What would it take for you to change your mind about Trump being a good president?

    If you are not a Trump supporter
    What has he done that you despise?
    What would it take for you to support him?


    On either side, what could he do or fail to do that would make you change your mind about him?

    I am hoping those on either side of the divide will go on record now, early in his presidency, to suggest things that could be done to sway your opinion and what has established your opinion thus far.
    President Trump is the best ever !!! President Trump can do no wrong !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    President Trump is the best ever !!! President Trump can do no wrong !!!
    What has he done or what could be do that makes or would make him the best ever?

    Be specific.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    What has he done or what could be do that makes or would make him the best ever?

    Be specific.
    He is keeping all his promises, it's not even 100 days yet. He is draining the swamp, raising the stock market to record numbers and bringing new jobs to America. He appointed a great SC Judge. Tax cuts and healthcare are coming soon, as well as infrastructure plan and the WALL. He has taken back America's military strength and gotten worldwide support. Not even 100 days
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    He is keeping all his promises
    That's not quite true but I'm not here to knock the guy.

    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    He is draining the swamp
    How has he 'drained the swamp'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post



    How has he 'drained the swamp'?
    He's streamlining and shrinking big government, removing tons of regulations and undoing Obama's mess
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    He is keeping all his promises, it's not even 100 days yet.
    Ok, but all the promises that involve *not* bombing have gone by the wayside.
    Contrary to what many Americans seem to think, the document we now call "the Constitution" and the Declaration of Independence are not pretty much the same thing or "connected in spirit," or "two sides of the same coin." The two documents were written by two different groups of people at two different times to accomplish two totally different goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    He is keeping all his promises, it's not even 100 days yet. He is draining the swamp, raising the stock market to record numbers and bringing new jobs to America. He appointed a great SC Judge. Tax cuts and healthcare are coming soon, as well as infrastructure plan and the WALL. He has taken back America's military strength and gotten worldwide support. Not even 100 days


    Trump is doing everything in his power to "Make Russia Great Again!"

    Recent reports reveal that the Trump Administration wanted to lift Russian sanctions on Day 1!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post


    Trump is doing everything in his power to "Make Russia Great Again!"

    Recent reports reveal that the Trump Administration wanted to lift Russian sanctions on Day 1!
    So what !!!
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    What, if anything, should be done about Syria? Do you support or oppose what Trump has done thus far?
    What, if anything, should be done about North Korea?

    Do you support the dropping of the M.O.A.B bomb in Afghanistan?

    There are issues that Trump has noticeably shifted from as president as opposed to what he said during his campaign.
    1. Is NATO obsolete?
    2. Is China a currency manipulator?
    3. Should he support the U.S. Export-Import Bank?
    4. What should our relationship with Russia look like?
    5. Is our military in shambles?
    6. Should Janet Yellen be nominated to second term as fed chair?
    7. What should be done with Obamacare and what should replace it?
    8. What's up with the border wall? It Mexico paying for it?
    9. Is Trump going to deport more illegal immigrants than Obama?
    10. Does torture work?
    11. Should Hilary be "locked up"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    What, if anything, should be done about Syria? Do you support or oppose what Trump has done thus far?
    What, if anything, should be done about North Korea?

    Do you support the dropping of the M.O.A.B bomb in Afghanistan?

    There are issues that Trump has noticeably shifted from as president as opposed to what he said during his campaign.
    1. Is NATO obsolete?
    2. Is China a currency manipulator?
    3. Should he support the U.S. Export-Import Bank?
    4. What should our relationship with Russia look like?
    5. Is our military in shambles?
    6. Should Janet Yellen be nominated to second term as fed chair?
    7. What should be done with Obamacare and what should replace it?
    8. What's up with the border wall? It Mexico paying for it?
    9. Is Trump going to deport more illegal immigrants than Obama?
    10. Does torture work?
    11. Should Hilary be "locked up"?
    Hmmm, I see this hasn't even been addressed yet....telling.....
    Contrary to what many Americans seem to think, the document we now call "the Constitution" and the Declaration of Independence are not pretty much the same thing or "connected in spirit," or "two sides of the same coin." The two documents were written by two different groups of people at two different times to accomplish two totally different goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    What, if anything, should be done about Syria? Do you support or oppose what Trump has done thus far?
    What, if anything, should be done about North Korea?

    Do you support the dropping of the M.O.A.B bomb in Afghanistan?

    There are issues that Trump has noticeably shifted from as president as opposed to what he said during his campaign.
    1. Is NATO obsolete?
    2. Is China a currency manipulator?
    3. Should he support the U.S. Export-Import Bank?
    4. What should our relationship with Russia look like?
    5. Is our military in shambles?
    6. Should Janet Yellen be nominated to second term as fed chair?
    7. What should be done with Obamacare and what should replace it?
    8. What's up with the border wall? It Mexico paying for it?
    9. Is Trump going to deport more illegal immigrants than Obama?
    10. Does torture work?
    11. Should Hilary be "locked up"?
    Just off the top of my head,

    1. NATO is relevant now.

    2.China isn't a currency manipulator.

    4. Dog gone it, my bombing proves I'm no Putin stooge

    3. I'm fine with the export/import bank

    5. The military is in shambles even though we spend more than all countries combined.

    6. Janet Yellen is my hero

    7. Trumpcare baby!!!

    8. Still working on Mexico paying the bill....hasn't been successful thusfar

    9. I'm working on that too

    10. Torture is great, even said so in the campaign

    11. Hillary is my friend, why should I lock her up?
    Contrary to what many Americans seem to think, the document we now call "the Constitution" and the Declaration of Independence are not pretty much the same thing or "connected in spirit," or "two sides of the same coin." The two documents were written by two different groups of people at two different times to accomplish two totally different goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    What, if anything, should be done about Syria? Do you support or oppose what Trump has done thus far?
    Yes.
    What, if anything, should be done about North Korea?
    Bomb them into the stone age.

    Do you support the dropping of the M.O.A.B bomb in Afghanistan?
    You realize that's just a big can full of explosives right?
    How is that different than a bunch of smaller cans of explosives?


    1. Is NATO obsolete?
    Not if they help pay the freight, which they haven't been doing.

    2. Is China a currency manipulator?
    Aren't we all?

    3. Should he support the U.S. Export-Import Bank?
    I don't know what that is.

    4. What should our relationship with Russia look like?
    We have NATO so that Europe can feel safe from the boogieman Russia that they buy 45% of their energy from. I say let Europe pay for the missile shield along their border with Russia and we'll pay for one at our border with Russia. Then we'll have Russia trapped in a pincer movement.

    5. Is our military in shambles?
    Shambles is a relative term.

    6. Should Janet Yellen be nominated to second term as fed chair?
    Only if she keeps her voice down.

    7. What should be done with Obamacare and what should replace it?
    Single payer

    8. What's up with the border wall? It Mexico paying for it?
    Ask Mexico.

    9. Is Trump going to deport more illegal immigrants than Obama?
    I think that would be a yes.

    10. Does torture work?
    Doesn't hurt.

    11. Should Hilary be "locked up"?
    That's up to a jury to decide.
    Everyman is a voice in the dark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    What, if anything, should be done about Syria?
    What Syria needs is a negotiated agreement that allows a transition without retribution. And that would require an international community with a commitment to human rights and meaningful accountability. But Russia would sabotage anything like that.

    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    Do you support or oppose what Trump has done thus far?
    Firing a few missiles at random? Oppose. It's all for show. Did you notice that the Russians didn't make even an attempt to intercept our missiles? This is war for the cameras.

    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    What, if anything, should be done about North Korea?
    Signs of strength and solidarity. Don't provoke, and don't threaten.

    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    Do you support the dropping of the M.O.A.B bomb in Afghanistan?
    I really don't care. I think this got way more attention than it deserved.

    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    There are issues that Trump has noticeably shifted from as president as opposed to what he said during his campaign.
    1. Is NATO obsolete?
    No.


    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    2. Is China a currency manipulator?
    Probably to some extent. It's not worth starting a trade war over.

    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    3. Should he support the U.S. Export-Import Bank?
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    4. What should our relationship with Russia look like?
    Skeptical. More sanctions. We need to start rebuilding an alliance against them. Help Ukraine, help the rebels in Syria, help Georgia, reenforce the Baltic states. Offer Putin an off-ramp from the current path, but continue to indict their hackers.

    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    5. Is our military in shambles?
    Hardly. Our State Department is, for one main reason: It's being sabotaged from within. That could destroy us.

    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    6. Should Janet Yellen be nominated to second term as fed chair?
    I have no major objections to her. She's better than anyone Trump is likely to come up with.

    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    7. What should be done with Obamacare and what should replace it?
    Expand medicaid further. Allow medicaid to negotiate drug prices. Allow the orderly import of drugs from other countries.

    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    8. What's up with the border wall? It Mexico paying for it?
    Respectively, it's probably not going to happen, and no. And that's a good thing.

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    9. Is Trump going to deport more illegal immigrants than Obama?
    Probably.

    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    10. Does torture work?
    No.

    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    11. Should Hilary be "locked up"?
    No. Trump should be.
    Global warming denialists are like gravity denialists piloting a helicopter, determined to prove a point. We may not have time to actually persuade them of their mistake.

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