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    Quote Originally Posted by Lon View Post
    Again, NOT Christianity.
    Maybe thats a good thing, depending on how we define 'Christianity' these days - it comes in many different forms, systems and packages, some not all that 'attractive'.

    It is a move toward universalism/spiritualism AWAY from God.
    You're assuming universalism or spiritualism IS a move away from 'God'. 'God' is Spirit, and 'God' is universal...for starters, and this truth encompasses the whole of reality, as the grand CONTEXT of all that exists. Again, straight out the gate, your coming with a prefigured conclusion and presusmption about a form of religious interpretation or translation that not agreeing with your own 'version' is somehow 'satanic' or 'wrong'. We remind you again,...both universalism and spiritualism holds and encompasses particular truths about 'God', but perhaps without the 'dogmatism' of your religious belief structure.

    I don't care about men's opinions. I may look, just to be able to reach you a bit in your area of influence, but I'm fairly sure out of the gate, the problem is New Age philosophy which isn't at all Christian.
    The two teachers mentioned give spiritual teaching, mostly on the esoteric, allegorical and figurative symbols found within religious mythology and the Bible, since certain types, shadows and archetypes reveal spiritual truths and principles, which while particularized....are UNIVERSAL.

    A basic primer in New Thought Christianity and Theosophy is essential here. You may note that Paul got his personal gospel only from personal revelation from a celestial Jesus and allegorical interpretation of the scripture (not from the original apostles who actually knew the earthly Jesus), so if your going to reject universal esoteric teachings of the wisdom and mystery school religions, you might as well reject Paul too, also since he taught his own gospel quite different than what Jesus original apostles taught and lived, since they kept to their Jewish roots, culture and Torah observance....even temple attendance and activities, since the temple was still up and running for a few more decades after Jesus died.

    Briefly, that you don't need Jesus?
    You're assuming one does.

    Er, NOT Christian.
    'Christian' - just another label, which comes with some baggage, due to those who've negatively represented it.

    These losers who couldn't even hold a job long simply said they thought Christianity was seated in pagan religions. Yeah, part of my degree, Zeke. It is worse than trash novels. Worth LESS than nothing. Dime-store rubbish. "IF" you'd ever look, there is next to no similarity between these. I see it as academically failed and spiritually terrible.
    Ad hominems do not defend your version or assumption of truth, since universal truths represented in religious symbols, analogies and mythologies, still hold...even if the Jesus story is pure religious fiction or mythology....you can still draw certain truths, principles and analogies therefrom.

    I hadn't realized how far you've chucked Jesus away from you until now. Sad days. You will stand before Him.
    Zeke has come to his insights and perspectives for daring to think for himself, and choose what his own heart and soul feels is spiritually true and intellectually honest, while keeping himself open to 'progressive revelation' and learning, as any student of truth would be committed.

    Sorry, there is NO possibility of that not happening. You and I will stand before our Maker.
    We stand in the presence of 'God' moment to moment, since we live move and have our being in 'God'. Judgment day is every day, while karma is taking care of all actions, since their consequences are already resident in those motives and actions, as fruit comes from the seeds. Again, universal law.

    There is no such thing as 'intelligence' or 'purpose' in your cosmic evolution-centered universe, devoid of deism of any kind but you. You are your own god.
    More assumptions based on your own preconceptions/conclusions.

    While similar perhaps, my own views and metaphysical insights may differ in nuance or understanding than zekes, but I think we agree on some particulars and universals. You continue to assume we mystics or students of Theosophy or New Thought are 'new age' and making ourselves our own 'gods', however, that is not true on the whole, but we recognize that a part of 'God' indwells us, we have freedom of choice (the creative, determining power of free will), and all the divine possibilities and potential that inheres within us by 'God', we being His offspring, made/created in his own image and likeness, which also grants the creative power, as a co-creator of our own life experience and destiny. Recognizing that the spirit-spark-light-consciousness of 'God' indwells us, and/or we are individual expressions of the One God, extensions thereof...does not make us 'God Almighty', since we are sons and daughters of That Infinite ONE, even though as a body, we are both individually and collectively God's BODY. 'God' experiences and potentializes/actualizes himself thru all his creation.

    Done deal, no? "IF" I were god, you can BET this world would be different than you are able or capable of doing. Nirvana wouldn't need me, if you were god. You'd be able to do it. You can't even pull yourself up by your own bootstraps. You drank the Koolaid
    You apparently had too much to drink of one popular traditional brand of 'Christianity' (dogmatized with its own conclusions) and its particular 'theology' with its own nuance, flavour and trappings. Maybe you could research and question the validity, meaning or value of such, before deeming it better or more 'orthodox' than another interpretation, approach or perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelight View Post
    Maybe thats a good thing, depending on how we define 'Christianity' these days - it comes in many different forms, systems and packages, some not all that 'attractive'.

    You're assuming universalism or spiritualism IS a move away from 'God'. 'God' is Spirit, and 'God' is universal...for starters, and this truth encompasses the whole of reality, as the grand CONTEXT of all that exists. Again, straight out the gate, your coming with a prefigured conclusion and presusmption about a form of religious interpretation or translation that not agreeing with your own 'version' is somehow 'satanic' or 'wrong'. We remind you again,...both universalism and spiritualism holds and encompasses particular truths about 'God', but perhaps without the 'dogmatism' of your religious belief structure.
    Not only assuming. Your 'Christianity' isn't. It is Buddhism Eastern Mysticism. I've seen it before, many packages, same ol' thing.

    If you are looking for 'attractive' you are just following what you desire. Hedonism is whatever feels good, no? If all you are is what you've always been dressed up, its still the same ol' same ol' Johnathan Livingston Seagull was, after all, just, only, still a seagull. His epiphanies? Not really much more than the rest of the seagulls always saw.


    Quote Originally Posted by freelight View Post
    The two teachers mentioned give spiritual teaching, mostly on the esoteric, allegorical and figurative symbols found within religious mythology and the Bible, since certain types, shadows and archetypes reveal spiritual truths and principles, which while particularized....are UNIVERSAL.
    Truth is truth wherever you find it, but where there is a difference? One of them, at least, is wrong. Your philosophy and religion embrace yin and yang. I don't. One of these is not supposed to be here. Universalism is evolution. It embraces the chaos. I detest it, am longing to get away from it. Romans 8 says all of creation (but for the Universalist, Eastern Mysticist) is groaning for redemption. Sorry, you lose that, it CANNOT be Christianity. It is Borg assimilation milquetoast blasé half life and half purpose. The bible says we were created for something else entirely. You cannot get there but one way. That is the denial and thus, cannot be Christianity. It is its opposite.

    Quote Originally Posted by freelight View Post
    A basic primer in New Thought Christianity and Theosophy is essential here. You may note that Paul got his personal gospel only from personal revelation from a celestial Jesus and allegorical interpretation of the scripture (not from the original apostles who actually knew the earthly Jesus), so if your going to reject universal esoteric teachings of the wisdom and mystery school religions, you might as well reject Paul too, also since he taught his own gospel quite different than what Jesus original apostles taught and lived, since they kept to their Jewish roots, culture and Torah observance....even temple attendance and activities, since the temple was still up and running for a few more decades after Jesus died.
    You are confusing mode with message. Your Mormon upbringing messed you up, confused you on how to find actual truth.



    Quote Originally Posted by freelight View Post
    You're assuming one does.
    True. Jesus said it. I believe it. I assume when He says He is the Only way. He is the Only way.

    You've said that's a lie. No longer Christianity. We who follow him, own that label. A difference must show a difference. Simply trying to adopt the label recreates your religion as milquetoast blasé again. You need to embrace your own label, else its just assimilation. Borg is a good term. Use it.


    Quote Originally Posted by freelight View Post
    'Christian' - just another label, which comes with some baggage, due to those who've negatively represented it.
    And here? Confusing messenger with message. You can't know a king simply off of which subject you happen to meet in the kingdom. Some are there if only physically, their hearts and minds somewhere else. Concentrate on the message. "Amazing Grace, How sweet the sound, that saved a wretch like me." It admits I'm a wretch. I AM less of a wretch than I used to be. I do believe He's still remaking me, that I'm a bit less, and more of Him today than yesterday. Still, you'll find Wretch, if such is the desire. The proof is in the message. Few find it because few want such. You speak so in clarity. What I want is beyond my ability to attain. Yours is a complete package. You are what your religion is or vice versa.



    Quote Originally Posted by freelight View Post
    Ad hominems do not defend your version or assumption of truth, since universal truths represented in religious symbols, analogies and mythologies, still hold...even if the Jesus story is pure religious fiction or mythology....you can still draw certain truths, principles and analogies therefrom.
    Again, all you have to the table, no cards in reserve. That is your religion. There is no need of it. My 'nirvana' can be attained simply by my own pleasure, whatever kind of animal I am. It is the product of a godless, purposeless universe. In effect, you are a functional atheist/agnostic.

    There are no ad hominins. These are assessments of the material produced in connection with the obscure men.


    Quote Originally Posted by freelight View Post
    Zeke has come to his insights and perspectives for daring to think for himself, and choose what his own heart and soul feels is spiritually true and intellectually honest, while keeping himself open to 'progressive revelation' and learning, as any student of truth would be committed.
    Bingo. "Himself." I completely agree. Matthew 10:39; 16:25 It is no longer I that live. Galatians 2:20

    Every man will make god in his/her own image. A very few of us want to be clay in the potter's hands, not potters.

    Christianity is truly "not my will but thine." Zeke found he could not die to self and so, looking within, found an answer he preferred to that of subjugation to a Potter. For me Job 13:15



    Quote Originally Posted by freelight View Post
    We stand in the presence of 'God' moment to moment, since we live move and have our being in 'God'. Judgment day is every day, while karma is taking care of all actions, since their consequences are already resident in those motives and actions, as fruit comes from the seeds. Again, universal law.
    Psalm 32:5 The ultimate Karma breaker is sacrifice and love of another. Love destroys your bubble.



    Quote Originally Posted by freelight View Post
    More assumptions based on your own preconceptions/conclusions.
    "My" perceptions would be more like your own. These are God's assumptions, conceptions, conclusions. I had to move up, not stay the same. HUGE difference. You are just discovering yourself and what you like, a very self-interested selfish religion.
    Quote Originally Posted by freelight View Post
    While similar perhaps, my own views and metaphysical insights may differ in nuance or understanding than zekes, but I think we agree on some particulars and universals. You continue to assume we mystics or students of Theosophy or New Thought are 'new age' and making ourselves our own 'gods', however, that is not true on the whole, but we recognize that a part of 'God' indwells us, we have freedom of choice (the creative, determining power of free will), and all the divine possibilities and potential that inheres within us by 'God', we being His offspring, made/created in his own image and likeness, which also grants the creative power, as a co-creator of our own life experience and destiny. Recognizing that the spirit-spark-light-consciousness of 'God' indwells us, and/or we are individual expressions of the One God, extensions thereof...does not make us 'God Almighty', since we are sons and daughters of That Infinite ONE, even though as a body, we are both individually and collectively God's BODY. 'God' experiences and potentializes/actualizes himself thru all his creation.
    You denied, then admitted in the rest of the paragraph, that which you don't want to espouse.


    Quote Originally Posted by freelight View Post
    You apparently had too much to drink of one popular traditional brand of 'Christianity' (dogmatized with its own conclusions) and its particular 'theology' with its own nuance, flavour and trappings. Maybe you could research and question the validity, meaning or value of such, before deeming it better or more 'orthodox' than another interpretation, approach or perspective.
    Of course I did. Matthew 10:25 Luke 6:40. Don't confuse hatred of what is false with hatred for men. I despise neither of you. I despise GREATLY what the enemy has been allowed (by you) to abuse. Abused women often love their abusers. I still despise the abuse and I might yell a little at the abus-ee to wake up (but as gently as I'm able). He is the Only way, truth and life. I am a slave to Him and His written word. You cannot divorce Christianity from the Christian book. They are one and the same.
    My New Years Resolution: 1 Peter 3:15
    Omniscient without man's qualification. John 1:3 "Nothing"
    Colossians 1:17 "Nothing" John 15:5 "Nothing"
    Mighty, ALL mighty (omnipotent). Revelation 1:8
    No possible limitation Isaiah 40:25 Joshua 24:15
    Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

    Is Calvinism okay? Yep

    Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think... Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21

    1Co 13:11 ... when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. Titus 3:10 Ephesians 4:29-32; 5:11

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lon View Post
    Not only assuming. Your 'Christianity' isn't. It is Buddhism Eastern Mysticism. I've seen it before, many packages, same ol' thing.

    If you are looking for 'attractive' you are just following what you desire. Hedonism is whatever feels good, no? If all you are is what you've always been dressed up, its still the same ol' same ol' Johnathan Livingston Seagull was, after all, just, only, still a seagull. His epiphanies? Not really much more than the rest of the seagulls always saw.


    Truth is truth wherever you find it, but where there is a difference? One of them, at least, is wrong. Your philosophy and religion embrace yin and yang. I don't. One of these is not supposed to be here. Universalism is evolution. It embraces the chaos. I detest it, am longing to get away from it. Romans 8 says all of creation (but for the Universalist, Eastern Mysticist) is groaning for redemption. Sorry, you lose that, it CANNOT be Christianity. It is Borg assimilation milquetoast blasé half life and half purpose. The bible says we were created for something else entirely. You cannot get there but one way. That is the denial and thus, cannot be Christianity. It is its opposite.

    You are confusing mode with message. Your Mormon upbringing messed you up, confused you on how to find actual truth.




    True. Jesus said it. I believe it. I assume when He says He is the Only way. He is the Only way.

    You've said that's a lie. No longer Christianity. We who follow him, own that label. A difference must show a difference. Simply trying to adopt the label recreates your religion as milquetoast blasé again. You need to embrace your own label, else its just assimilation. Borg is a good term. Use it.



    And here? Confusing messenger with message. You can't know a king simply off of which subject you happen to meet in the kingdom. Some are there if only physically, their hearts and minds somewhere else. Concentrate on the message. "Amazing Grace, How sweet the sound, that saved a wretch like me." It admits I'm a wretch. I AM less of a wretch than I used to be. I do believe He's still remaking me, that I'm a bit less, and more of Him today than yesterday. Still, you'll find Wretch, if such is the desire. The proof is in the message. Few find it because few want such. You speak so in clarity. What I want is beyond my ability to attain. Yours is a complete package. You are what your religion is or vice versa.



    Again, all you have to the table, no cards in reserve. That is your religion. There is no need of it. My 'nirvana' can be attained simply by my own pleasure, whatever kind of animal I am. It is the product of a godless, purposeless universe. In effect, you are a functional atheist/agnostic.

    There are no ad hominins. These are assessments of the material produced in connection with the obscure men.


    Bingo. "Himself." I completely agree. Matthew 10:39; 16:25 It is no longer I that live. Galatians 2:20

    Every man will make god in his/her own image. A very few of us want to be clay in the potter's hands, not potters.

    Christianity is truly "not my will but thine." Zeke found he could not die to self and so, looking within, found an answer he preferred to that of subjugation to a Potter. For me Job 13:15



    Psalm 32:5 The ultimate Karma breaker is sacrifice and love of another. Love destroys your bubble.




    "My" perceptions would be more like your own. These are God's assumptions, conceptions, conclusions. I had to move up, not stay the same. HUGE difference. You are just discovering yourself and what you like, a very self-interested selfish religion.

    You denied, then admitted in the rest of the paragraph, that which you don't want to espouse.



    Of course I did. Matthew 10:25 Luke 6:40. Don't confuse hatred of what is false with hatred for men. I despise neither of you. I despise GREATLY what the enemy has been allowed (by you) to abuse. Abused women often love their abusers. I still despise the abuse and I might yell a little at the abus-ee to wake up (but as gently as I'm able). He is the Only way, truth and life. I am a slave to Him and His written word. You cannot divorce Christianity from the Christian book. They are one and the same.
    My former response to your typical reactions and assumptions holds, per my last post, written especially for those reading along, for their own enlightenment, so they can THINK FOR THEMSELVES.

    Whatever is 'divine' or of 'God' in Man, is that by nature, image, essence, likeness, pattern and archetype,....as both 'essence' and 'form' derive from 'God' our SOURCE, so hidden within religious writings and mythology are keys to recognize those features and elements that mirror 'God' in the soul. In the way our creation is in God's OWN image and likeness, so we recognize 'God' in us, and expressing thru US, as that which is 'divine'.

    Modern pop evangelical Christianity or its various dogmas and creeds DO NOT have a monopoly on truth, and are only one religious school, denomiation, mythologu and tradition among many other world religous schools and traditions. There is a golden thread of truth in all, since it is the Universal Soul of the cosmos that is being engaged and related to, by the various human cultures, and the deeper truth of man's purpose, existence, divine potential destiny is therefore intuited thru his own 'religious experience' of that which is beyond space or time.

    This is a universal science that you are failing to recognize by choosing your own narrow exclusive dogmatic view of 'God' loaded with so many preconcpetions and presumptions, and this has nothing to do with Jonathan Livingston Seagull or Mormonism, so those are your own presumed 'correlations'.

    The reality of 'God' and 'Truth' by nature and context, of 'God' being at the Heart and circumfrence of all that exists, as well as encompassing the totality of all that was, is and yet to come (as THE INFINITE)....shows 'God' to be the sole infinite reality, thru-out. Our own consciousness recognizes the images, forms, concepts and ideals within the MIND of 'God' (which is omnipresent) so we can relate, correlate and figure the value and meaning of those concepts, as described, explored and studied in universal and esoteric science, which is really basic metaphysics for those so informed.

    You would have to discredit or disprove the reality of metaphysical and allegorical insight here, which includes denying the truth and postulates of all the ancient wisdom schools combined, which would be a monumental task on your part, of which in reality cant be done beyond a dismissal based on ignorance, bias and bigotry.

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    "Still" following what is in your head.

    Quote Originally Posted by freelight View Post
    My former response to your typical reactions and assumptions holds
    You don't 'get' to say what stands or holds. This crud certainly doesn't. Sorry, it is all in your head. It was all in their head. It is made-up stuff. Worth-less, than the paper its written upon. Junk leftovers. Sorry, these 'epiphanies' aren't. The answer to my dilemma is outside of myself: John 15:5 Sorry. Fact. I'm not magic. The Lord of the Universe incredibly answers my prayers. That alone is beyond your comprehension as well as is one authentication of scripture.

    Quote Originally Posted by freelight View Post
    You would have to discredit or disprove the reality of metaphysical and allegorical insight here, which includes denying the truth and postulates of all the ancient wisdom schools combined, which would be a monumental task on your part, of which in reality cant be done beyond a dismissal based on ignorance, bias and bigotry.
    2 Corinthians 10:5 You guys have never read a scripture and understood in your life. You are making it up as you go like Dungeon's and Dragon's and you are the grand wizard. Sad you cannot divine make-believe for reality. 2 Corinthians 10:5 tells us to shut the door on nonsense.
    My New Years Resolution: 1 Peter 3:15
    Omniscient without man's qualification. John 1:3 "Nothing"
    Colossians 1:17 "Nothing" John 15:5 "Nothing"
    Mighty, ALL mighty (omnipotent). Revelation 1:8
    No possible limitation Isaiah 40:25 Joshua 24:15
    Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

    Is Calvinism okay? Yep

    Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think... Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21

    1Co 13:11 ... when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. Titus 3:10 Ephesians 4:29-32; 5:11

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    Lon like the Religious rulers/Judah in the narrative of Christ, you don't really believe what the Spirit taught about the ONE Father of us all, or where that living presence is sought Luke 17:20-21, which Paul repeated the ONE aspect as well and where the dwelling of God was located 1Cor 3:16, these concept wern't invented by christian theology, take no thought another teaching taught by the Spirit, God inside the living, not new ideas! these were before Abraham/symbology so you have you're fear based conclusions working against you're own awakening.


    Everyone has that principle/light within them John 1:9, but until the prodigal awakes from divine amnesia the son/seed remains in the ground/darkness of good and evil. The plea for the christian version of jesus to be the universal moniker is because you still believe in two powers created in mortal time/vanity that feed separation, and hidden by all that braggadocious on that degree/letter/dead (that failed you) and clouded you're understanding about the Eternal Presence that judges not by appearance/illusion like the prodigals brother, who recommended condemnation flesh and blood sacrifice to appease his own jealous heart/ just like the braggart and king of bondage on MT Sinai which is symbology Lon, instead of reconciliation and the reason you still believe hell is a reality taught by unconditional love/God the Father of all and in all an absolute you claim to grasp but teach conditional love like all religious minded looking out through dualisms folly, them and us nonsense.

    The Bible is a wonderful tool that teaches not about history or the future that christians re-lie on for their truth laced with good and evil, that erect idols of inanimate objects/labels cheap mimics of the ETERNAL TRUTH the ABSOLUTE principle which is unconditional LOVE/GOOD/GOD. .

    Labels don't unveil the heart, the awakening/sprouting isn't owned by any religion or theology and for the most part it works in spite of them who are in mortal unbelief, and the reason you can't except any exposure concerning the beginning of the christian religion that was diverse until the prodigals brother Rome took over and spread that brand of thinking/theology on the world that offers the fatted calf but only serve husks/vanity, but even that is serving a purpose in that it forces one to actually awake to who they are and where they came from, you are still stuck in the fields of husk dreaming about the fatted calf you're Father said you had all along Luke 15:25-32 same symbology as Galatians 4:20-28 but you only listen from the outside/shadow of the house like a son of Hagar amongst the husk shuckers pointing the self righteous finger discerned from appearance just like Judah thought Tamar was a harlot! whoops.

    John 17:5 should be you're prayer but you still think you are just a saved dirty abhorrent sinner who hasn't learned how to judge righteously like the prodigals Father who condemned no one, nor required anything but a change of mind Matt 3:2, let the mind of Christ be in you or stay out side listening to the merry making you long for is some fictional future while serving in mental slavery Galatians 4:1/dead letter. But I leave you with GOODNEWS all will awake in due time, when you can ask you're Divine Soul who do men say I AM, it must be getting tired of dinning on husk, I Did after I stop lurking in the shadows, so those religious husk you have offered are good for starting a fire but it takes so many to just keep the flame going.
    Trying to awaken the divine principle in the belly of the fish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelight View Post
    My former response to your typical reactions and assumptions holds, per my last post, written especially for those reading along, for their own enlightenment, so they can THINK FOR THEMSELVES.

    Whatever is 'divine' or of 'God' in Man, is that by nature, image, essence, likeness, pattern and archetype,....as both 'essence' and 'form' derive from 'God' our SOURCE, so hidden within religious writings and mythology are keys to recognize those features and elements that mirror 'God' in the soul. In the way our creation is in God's OWN image and likeness, so we recognize 'God' in us, and expressing thru US, as that which is 'divine'.

    Modern pop evangelical Christianity or its various dogmas and creeds DO NOT have a monopoly on truth, and are only one religious school, denomiation, mythologu and tradition among many other world religous schools and traditions. There is a golden thread of truth in all, since it is the Universal Soul of the cosmos that is being engaged and related to, by the various human cultures, and the deeper truth of man's purpose, existence, divine potential destiny is therefore intuited thru his own 'religious experience' of that which is beyond space or time.

    This is a universal science that you are failing to recognize by choosing your own narrow exclusive dogmatic view of 'God' loaded with so many preconcpetions and presumptions, and this has nothing to do with Jonathan Livingston Seagull or Mormonism, so those are your own presumed 'correlations'.

    The reality of 'God' and 'Truth' by nature and context, of 'God' being at the Heart and circumfrence of all that exists, as well as encompassing the totality of all that was, is and yet to come (as THE INFINITE)....shows 'God' to be the sole infinite reality, thru-out. Our own consciousness recognizes the images, forms, concepts and ideals within the MIND of 'God' (which is omnipresent) so we can relate, correlate and figure the value and meaning of those concepts, as described, explored and studied in universal and esoteric science, which is really basic metaphysics for those so informed.

    You would have to discredit or disprove the reality of metaphysical and allegorical insight here, which includes denying the truth and postulates of all the ancient wisdom schools combined, which would be a monumental task on your part, of which in reality cant be done beyond a dismissal based on ignorance, bias and bigotry.
    What else can come from the accuser but condemnation? a religious hypnosis that speaks like a man but is just a parasitical persona gasping for Eternal Breath in the good and evil storm, holding on to the letter he also learned from men, who idolize biblical characters, that he tries to use as a weapon against others who try and get past the persona that veils his Christ within that is fast asleep in that storm of fake righteousness and concern, that flooded the world from the mouth of Rome, one hell of a deal for some.
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    Some spiritual insight from Walter Lanyon that passes through unseen by the intellects/caterpillar stage perceptions of truth, and, the least of understanding to the spiritual insights hidden in the script/play Matt 11:11, Thoughts found among the dead white washed tombs, empty shells literally perceived as living history and the future that don't exist except in time that had a beginning and end like all stories do, Galatians 4:24, Dramatic portrayals of the Kingdom of Eternal reality/Life NOW either awake or slumbering in the sons of God..







    [IMG]"I come not to destroy" your disease or belief, but to fulfil the temple and the dark shadows of belief with light. No matter how they have crystallized into ugly, immovable gargoyles of hard and fast laws, they will melt out of the pictures. You do not care what becomes of them----any more than the freed bird cares for its shell once it has spread its wings. That outline that was itself egg crumbles into the dust and is no more, even as the thin outline of your horrible problem crumbles into nothingness and is no more. The thing that made a bird an egg is completely filled with life, and as the "Lord is magnified within" it expands to the limit of the belief and shatters once and for always the belief in egg.[/IMG]
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    [IMG]"Behold, I make all things new"----I make all things new because the "fulfilling" is merely the revealing of the Presence ----and the Presence, even as the full-fledged bird breaking from its egg, is new and yet has absorbed its former self, so I make everything new. No more the pouring of new inspiration into the old human receptacles of human belief----no more the patching up of the old garments with the new cloth-----but the wholly new revelation making itself manifest by the fulfilling of the Law.
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    [IMG]"I come not to destroy but to fulfil." "Put up your sword" -----remembering always that "he who takes the sword shall perish by the sword"-----he who fights evil is still working with the two-power idea, and fails to see God standing in the midst of hell. He goes on fighting the flames, at last being consumed by them, because in that spot----in that vacuum where he believes God is not----only the fury of his belief can bum away. "Heaven and earth are full of thee"----what else is there? Evil? Go dip seven times in the Jordan----until all these theories of oneness and something else have been washed from you---- *and then you will understand how it is that "I come not to destroy but to fulfil" is true, and what it means to recognize the Presence in the midst of your problem instead of trying to introduce it from the outside. Forget your wild ideas of destroying and begin the fulfilling. Fill everything full to overflowing with the Presence and you will stand and see the flames of your hell fade into soft rose-*coloured hues of Love. It is wonderful-----"Heaven and earth are full of Thee." Where can you go from the Presence? Answer Me----and, if you can at no time be out of the Presence, whatsoever you find in that Presence is yours. "Whatsoever things ye ask for in my nature that will I give unto you." It must be natural, it must be normal, it must be up and beyond the place of demonstration into the very realm of manifestation-the place of "Before they call, I will answer." "I come not to destroy but to fulfil." Do you hear? Remember God is over all, even the stars, and that He came to fulfil----not to destroy. "Call upon Me and I will answer."[/IMG]
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    [IMG]4And Esau ran to meet him, and embraced him, and fell on his neck, and kissed him: and they wept. 5And he lifted up his eyes, and saw the women and the children; and said, Who are those with thee? And he said, The children which God hath graciously given thy servant. 6Then the handmaidens came near, they and their children, and they bowed themselves. 7And Leah also with her children came near, and bowed themselves: and after came Joseph near and Rachel, and they bowed themselves. 8And he said, What meanest thou by all this drove which I met? And he said, These are to find grace in the sight of my lord. 9And Esau said, I have enough, my brother; keep that thou hast unto thyself. 10And Jacob said, Nay, I pray thee, if now I have found grace in thy sight, then receive my present at my hand: for therefore I have seen thy face, as though I had seen the face of God, and thou wast pleased with me. 11Take, I pray thee, my blessing that is brought to thee; because God hath dealt graciously with me, and because I have enough. And he urged him, and he took it.[/IMG]

    So Lon when will you see the face of God in others? like Our Divine Father does seeing that reconciliation is done and over before you ask for it because there is only one POWER the rest is given life by you, in, unbelief/fear a spirit known by all on the "WAY" of Christ through vanities mist, seeking the immortal mind of peace and rest from a dual minded adolescents perspective won't free you from that shell/veil you have erected between us, I try and awake the fearful and those teaching mortal lies because I wallowed in it for years believing in two powers.
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    Red face Let us break thru the dogma....................

    Quote Originally Posted by Lon View Post
    You don't 'get' to say what stands or holds. This crud certainly doesn't. Sorry, it is all in your head. It was all in their head. It is made-up stuff. Worth-less, than the paper its written upon. Junk leftovers. Sorry, these 'epiphanies' aren't. The answer to my dilemma is outside of myself: John 15:5 Sorry. Fact. I'm not magic. The Lord of the Universe incredibly answers my prayers. That alone is beyond your comprehension as well as is one authentication of scripture.
    What is shared does hold, and each reader using their own discernment can choose what is right, logical, rational and consonant with spiritual truth

    The truth that is universal is available for all, since it is ever omnipresent, all-pervading and all-encompassing. You cant put 'God' in a box.


    2 Corinthians 10:5 You guys have never read a scripture and understood in your life. You are making it up as you go like Dungeon's and Dragon's and you are the grand wizard. Sad you cannot divine make-believe for reality. 2 Corinthians 10:5 tells us to shut the door on nonsense.
    Using such a verse above does not apply, since nothing being share here is exalting anything above the knowledge of 'God', but merely enhancing and expanding that knowledge

    Dont forget,...the celestial Jesus Paul preaches is a life-giving spirit, and to be 'spiritually minded' IS life and peace

    Reality is all that it is, here and NOW. It is timeless. Remember, you can put a cap on infinity, neither can you cram the infinite in a bottle or a little package and then worship that little 'package' as if it were 'God'.

    We enjoy freedom in the Spirit, not dogmatic bondage to written words, myths or fables. These are used to communicate ideals, concepts, principles and archetypal truths, meanings and values. But only the Spirit is life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeke View Post
    What else can come from the accuser but condemnation? a religious hypnosis that speaks like a man but is just a parasitical persona gasping for Eternal Breath in the good and evil storm, holding on to the letter he also learned from men, who idolize biblical characters, that he tries to use as a weapon against others who try and get past the persona that veils his Christ within that is fast asleep in that storm of fake righteousness and concern, that flooded the world from the mouth of Rome, one hell of a deal for some.


    What people are forgetting is the spirit of God already in them, the reality, in essence, substance and form, of the spirit, energy, consciousness and light of divinity, already at the heart, within the temple of the soul, the core-essence. The story of Christ is but an allegorical pictograph of the soul's own journey into birth, death, rebirth, resurrection and ascension in the Spirit. The mythology of language is all we have in religion, and it is those letters that must be used by the Spirit as vehicles and pathways...to lift, carry and transport us into that power that transforms us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelight View Post
    What is shared does hold, and each reader using their own discernment can choose what is right, logical, rational and consonant with spiritual truth
    Well there you go, the difference between you and I is that only that which is true is worthy of my time...

    Quote Originally Posted by freelight View Post
    The truth that is universal is available for all, since it is ever omnipresent, all-pervading and all-encompassing. You cant put 'God' in a box.
    No, 1) that is you 2) not God 3) constrained to your own limitations (not much of a god).

    (I was kind of sad seeing you posted Christmas day. I had no time for that nor was arguing theology on my to do list )


    Quote Originally Posted by freelight View Post
    Using such a verse above does not apply, since nothing being share here is exalting anything above the knowledge of 'God', but merely enhancing and expanding that knowledge
    Interesting what you call 'knowledge.'

    Quote Originally Posted by freelight View Post
    Dont forget,...the celestial Jesus Paul preaches is a life-giving spirit, and to be 'spiritually minded' IS life and peace
    Yet, the same Paul warns of others carrying alternative messages. Worse? He says they are damned. You'd be 'wise' to listen a bit more, theorize less. Not doing so? That of a fool. 2 Corinthians 10:5

    Quote Originally Posted by freelight View Post
    Reality is all that it is, here and NOW. It is timeless. Remember, you can put a cap on infinity, neither can you cram the infinite in a bottle or a little package and then worship that little 'package' as if it were 'God'.
    The problem: Your god is contained 'in' the universe which isn't infinite nor timeless. It, you, me, are a product, a creation by something someone incredibly beyond. Your god and universe are the same-size-too-small. That's the problem. Romans 8:20 Your religion doesn't groan. It accepts and embraces yang.

    We enjoy freedom in the Spirit, not dogmatic bondage to written words, myths or fables. These are used to communicate ideals, concepts, principles and archetypal truths, meanings and values. But only the Spirit is life.
    's'pirit small 's.' there is nothing but you and what you make up. Worse? Your books are clearly the myths, fables, and mistruths AND you ARE following them. I truly am following a book. I love the bondage to it/Him. Romans 1:1 Conversely you too serve a master. You just cannot serve two. You WILL love the one and hate the other. You and Zeke hate mine. You are under the impression that 'freedom' is doing what you want. No, that is what Satan broke. That desire IS the satanic lie and influence. Those men you and Zeke quote? ALL for the other master.

    I'm glad you continue, lately, as does Caino, to admit different masters. Christianity is a bondservant to Christ. There is no other acceptable definition of Christianity. It is a misnomer at that point. You can't be 'like-Christ' if you aren't following Him. You can't do so if you are your own god (can't happen, we aren't made but as servants of one or the other, no defying gravity here).
    My New Years Resolution: 1 Peter 3:15
    Omniscient without man's qualification. John 1:3 "Nothing"
    Colossians 1:17 "Nothing" John 15:5 "Nothing"
    Mighty, ALL mighty (omnipotent). Revelation 1:8
    No possible limitation Isaiah 40:25 Joshua 24:15
    Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

    Is Calvinism okay? Yep

    Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think... Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21

    1Co 13:11 ... when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. Titus 3:10 Ephesians 4:29-32; 5:11

    Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeke View Post
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    4And Esau ran to meet him, and embraced him, and fell on his neck, and kissed him: and they wept. 5And he lifted up his eyes, and saw the women and the children; and said, Who are those with thee? And he said, The children which God hath graciously given thy servant. 6Then the handmaidens came near, they and their children, and they bowed themselves. 7And Leah also with her children came near, and bowed themselves: and after came Joseph near and Rachel, and they bowed themselves. 8And he said, What meanest thou by all this drove which I met? And he said, These are to find grace in the sight of my lord. 9And Esau said, I have enough, my brother; keep that thou hast unto thyself. 10And Jacob said, Nay, I pray thee, if now I have found grace in thy sight, then receive my present at my hand: for therefore I have seen thy face, as though I had seen the face of God, and thou wast pleased with me. 11Take, I pray thee, my blessing that is brought to thee; because God hath dealt graciously with me, and because I have enough. And he urged him, and he took it.


    So Lon when will you see the face of God in others? like Our Divine Father does seeing that reconciliation is done and over before you ask for it because there is only one POWER the rest is given life by you, in, unbelief/fear a spirit known by all on the "WAY" of Christ through vanities mist, seeking the immortal mind of peace and rest from a dual minded adolescents perspective won't free you from that shell/veil you have erected between us, I try and awake the fearful and those teaching mortal lies because I wallowed in it for years believing in two powers.
    "As though...." And it is the other way around. One who comes in the Name of the Lord is "as though." Your message is from Satan. You cannot serve two masters, you will love the one and hate the other. Your 'version' is a false idol and Satan is happy and proud. John 6:68 Survey the whole book or you will believe charlatans and only embrace what fits your fancy. Satan quotes and twists scriptures. John 15:5, Zeke. You cannot escape it. 1 Colossians 1:17 Cannot. We can serve but ONE master at a time. John 10:1-21 His sheep KNOW His voice, and He knows them. There is no Jesus in your theology. He doesn't exist. Your theology is powerless. 1 John 5:12 Have the Son! You still ARE your 'old' self :*(
    My New Years Resolution: 1 Peter 3:15
    Omniscient without man's qualification. John 1:3 "Nothing"
    Colossians 1:17 "Nothing" John 15:5 "Nothing"
    Mighty, ALL mighty (omnipotent). Revelation 1:8
    No possible limitation Isaiah 40:25 Joshua 24:15
    Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

    Is Calvinism okay? Yep

    Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think... Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21

    1Co 13:11 ... when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. Titus 3:10 Ephesians 4:29-32; 5:11

    Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

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    Like I posted Lon you are in the same mindset as the prodigals brother who still believes in condemnation, that exposes you're heart and mind still in bondage to religion, you need to talk that over with the Father of all (a phrase most Calvinist try and wiggle around) seeing he loved unconditionally a fruit you haven't tasted, when that quickening happens you will bow the knee to that Absolute TRUTH.
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