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    Quote Originally Posted by freelight View Post

    It is individual and universal.
    Such is hijacking the Christian message and story. It isn't.

    What you said is true, just not Christian, just not but bootstraps. It is a delusion and the content an illusion. It is ALSO bound in this universe thus is not God. God is beyond this universe. You have an evolution god that is simply what all other atheists believe.
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    Meta physics......

    Quote Originally Posted by Lon View Post

    Such is hijacking the Christian message and story. It isn't.
    The christian message and story is patterned after OT stories, themes, memes, archetypes....with an influx of pagan parallels in myth and metaphor describing the transformational journey of the soul. Much is nothing new ("nothing new under the sun").

    Pagan religion recognizes the truth of Nature, her ways, patterns and cycles,....and of the heavens and the stars, which form the framework of astro-theology, back again to universal science. Pagan mystery-religions had the esoteric insights before Paul came around, he just honed the truth of the logos as Philo did, and crafted his own profession thereof. John came later and fleshed out the logos doctrine applying it to Jesus even more definitively.

    Some would say Christianity is a syncretic amalgum of a multitude of traditions, further developed and synthesized in time, into its own creation. - this just happens to be a natural feature of how religions evolve.

    What you said is true, just not Christian, just not but bootstraps. It is a delusion and the content an illusion.
    Truth is universal. Consciousness is the contextual medium of all reality. "To be spiritually minded is life and peace". Remember...the mind set on the Spirit is life....this is the key.

    It is ALSO bound in this universe thus is not God. God is beyond this universe.
    Only that which is limited to this material world is bound. The divine in man is involved with man, but not bound to the physical. Of course, God is infinite.

    You have an evolution god that is simply what all other atheists believe.
    You have a good many misconceptions. God is involved within all creation but also is prior to and transcends creation (Pan-en-theism).

    God is the spiritual origin, sustainer and transformer of material creation. There is therefore a part of God that is evolutional, but that is only that part of God that is involving and evolving. The infinite transcendental aspect of Spirit is omnipresent and all pervading.

    Only Spirit is spirit, and that which is born of Spirit is spirit. The flesh has its own nature, habits, limitations and destiny as well.

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    Who proposed such? It depends on what 'version' of 'Christ' is being refered and the context. The 'Christ' is that divine seed, spark, spirit, consciousness of 'God' within the soul of man, metaphysically speaking.

    Christianity has made its own many 'versions' of Jesus, but the 'Christ' is that divine unction in whose light one's sonship is realized, also referred to as 'Christ-consciousness'.

    It is individual and universal.
    The broad brush is apparently the method Lon likes to use when judging by worldly appearances, yet excusing the actions taken by those professing his own like minded belief system. A product of legal birth, a worldly adoption consummating in a marriage making him an spiritual adulator with this worlds rulers, a system he admittedly is fine with carrying its proof of ownership ID.

    Hoodwinked out of his birthright then solidified by his own base education about his divine nature being unworthy by his master (OLDEST TRICK IN THE BOOK TO PLACE THE BLAME ON THE GULLIBLE MIND) taught him by the Elitist mentality of right to rule OVER HIM by bloodline, ELECTION, Judging all other beliefs in the letters ability to transcend that base/foundation of understanding taught through strict rules of the appearances by his captors as FOOLISH BABBLE, But its secrets to the heart in the none observable inner sanctuary needs to grow past judging a book by its outer coverings, the actions of some has slanted his perverted appraisal of other beliefs in his favor, he believes, but, his beloved history teaches otherwise for those with eyes to see the flesh and blood its sacrificed by its base level leader ship.

    like you have already stated the multiplicity found in all religions have branches with off shoots that are scattered by the four winds of assumption, mostly based on observational tastes and hear say to gather evidence for a case against these evils created in a split mind serving two masters good and evil instructing him through and by appearances/observational yielding sleeping pills that he has overdosed on.
    Trying to awaken the divine principle in the belly of the fish.

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    Lon mentioned keith Green so here is a favorite of mine, he was an insider! kiss within by the Spirit, though like all playing in two kingdoms he got stuck on labels and dog fights on the outside, That kiss within isn't blown by observable winds, it hovers over this cosmic egg/earth like a bee does the diversity of flowers available for him while in season.
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    Trying to awaken the divine principle in the belly of the fish.

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    Leave the first the principles of
    Christ taught you through imagery of the world for children, it becomes degreed idol worship if you can't leave it behind. 2Cor 3:6, Hebrews 6:1-4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeke View Post
    The broad brush is apparently the method Lon likes to use when judging by worldly appearances, yet excusing the actions taken by those professing his own like minded belief system. A product of legal birth, a worldly adoption consummating in a marriage making him an spiritual adulator with this worlds rulers, a system he admittedly is fine with carrying its proof of ownership ID.
    And as we continue down the yellow brick road of theologyland,.....only the pure in heart see 'God', and the kingdom of 'God' is within anyways,....an interior, subjective, inner space within the consciousness of 'God' that is all-pervading, all-encompassing, INFINITE. The kingdom as you know, does not come with observation (appearances), neither is limited to physical parameters or geography, but is recognition, an abiding awareness both within and without, in the Spirit.

    We do get caught up in this world system and the identity(name) given to us, which makes us a part of this world-system, but our heavenly identity is from our mother-world above, and her home is pure spirit, we her children - of course we can play with names, forms and apperances,..thats all the dance of creation is. (see: lila)

    Hoodwinked out of his birthright then solidified by his own base education about his divine nature being unworthy by his master (OLDEST TRICK IN THE BOOK TO PLACE THE BLAME ON THE GULLIBLE MIND) taught him by the Elitist mentality of right to rule OVER HIM by bloodline, ELECTION, Judging all other beliefs in the letters ability to transcend that base/foundation of understanding taught through strict rules of the appearances by his captors as FOOLISH BABBLE, But its secrets to the heart in the none observable inner sanctuary needs to grow past judging a book by its outer coverings, the actions of some has slanted his perverted appraisal of other beliefs in his favor, he believes, but, his beloved history teaches otherwise for those with eyes to see the flesh and blood its sacrificed by its base level leader ship.
    "they who are led by the Spirit of God, these are the sons of God"

    like you have already stated the multiplicity found in all religions have branches with off shoots that are scattered by the four winds of assumption, mostly based on observational tastes and hear say to gather evidence for a case against these evils created in a split mind serving two masters good and evil instructing him through and by appearances/observational yielding sleeping pills that he has overdosed on.
    lol

    Injecting a little humor into the equation is good to do occasionally, and heaven knows we have a good deal of pill poppers around, but so many dispensaries as well, loaded with so many pre-script-ions, assumed remedies treating various symptoms. We could play with these metaphors,....but shall leave it as an appetizer for readers for the time being

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelight View Post
    And as we continue down the yellow brick road of theologyland,.....only the pure in heart see 'God', and the kingdom of 'God' is within anyways,....an interior, subjective, inner space within the consciousness of 'God' that is all-pervading, all-encompassing, INFINITE. The kingdom as you know, does not come with observation (appearances), neither is limited to physical parameters or geography, but is recognition, an abiding awareness both within and without, in the Spirit.

    We do get caught up in this world system and the identity(name) given to us, which makes us a part of this world-system, but our heavenly identity is from our mother-world above, and her home is pure spirit, we her children - of course we can play with names, forms and apperances,..thats all the dance of creation is. (see: lila)



    "they who are led by the Spirit of God, these are the sons of God"



    lol

    Injecting a little humor into the equation is good to do occasionally, and heaven knows we have a good deal of pill poppers around, but so many dispensaries as well, loaded with so many pre-script-ions, assumed remedies treating various symptoms. We could play with these metaphors,....but shall leave it as an appetizer for readers for the time being
    Its a tricky business following a way that excludes the multiple diversity of the bodies functions, the toe trying to limit the rest of the body through its limited analogy is foolish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeke View Post
    Its a tricky business following a way that excludes the multiple diversity of the bodies functions, the toe trying to limit the rest of the body through its limited analogy is foolish.
    The ole trying to put 'God' in a box routine. Impossible

    If 'God' is INFINITE,...no finite concept can totally contain, explain or conclude 'God'. - however, an infinitude of forms, dimensions, angles and planes can arise in 'God', and we can learn something from each part within the whole, to come to a better more universal comprehension of the total, and even then...we are expanding exponentially in the INFINITE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelight View Post
    The ole trying to put 'God' in a box routine. Impossible

    If 'God' is INFINITE,...no finite concept can totally contain, explain or conclude 'God'. - however, an infinitude of forms, dimensions, angles and planes can arise in 'God', and we can learn something from each part within the whole, to come to a better more universal comprehension of the total, and even then...we are expanding exponentially in the INFINITE.
    Truth just walks right through, behind, among, and sleeps in them with its cloaking devises called outward appearance/images, outwardly looking for an answer to an inward drought judging by images of good and evil, a principle of sowing and reaping in dual reality they become mans reality, that fruit keeps them in the land of darkness/veiled from the light as long as there bound with that chain.

    Only an inward revelation will break that chain of image seeking, freeing the students to hear by his inner ear for higher revelations of scriptural teachings, the goal being to awaken the reader to the understanding scripture is all about them, rising above the base/foundation of the first principles of awakening does prove to be a challenge for those indoctrinated by religions fundamentalism, that claim the images they are playing with are real beings, instead of a rudimentary teaching for children.
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    Take no thought works, this is a real Bible study that religious tradition can't deal with except mock, which shows they have no ability to think out side that mental slavery.
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    The tradition of men are still with us, teaching a future kingdom when Christ is Eternal as well as the kingdom that is always open for those entering within the temple 1Cor 3:16, the same kingdom that tradition was preventing the sons from entering by their outward focus of the religious rulers in the parable story took literally "except where they should" Matt 23:13, that is the same thing going on today teaching a second coming and a future kingdom that will never be coming, you must go to it within Luke 17:20-21, that is the mystery since the foundation and to tradition it still is, you better run from such hypocrisy before the trinkets on their doctrinal tree of theology totally brain washes you, it's all built on the same false perceptions that make Christ homeless with no place to lay his head, better wake up to the fact you are the dwelling place of Christ!

    Jesus was a timeless pattern not a sacrifice to appease mans image of God Psalms 40:6, you better literalize 2 Cor 3:6, and the dark sayings that show it's all a parable Psalms 78: shows Israel is a story just like Galatians 4:24 tries to shows you Romans 2:29 and always was the point being made if you could hear it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeke View Post
    Take no thought works, this is a real Bible study that religious tradition can't deal with except mock, which shows they have no ability to think out side that mental slavery.
    The esoteric meaning within religious symbols, types, shadows and patterns are intrinsic to natural and spiritual science. Indulge in whatever tradition or culture you like, but only universal and eternal laws, principles and values hold.

    Its all ultimately 'Christ in you', the hope of glory (mans true potential and immortality unfolded),.....YOU are temple of God. Man is the microcasm, God the macrocasm. As above, so below.

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    Eph 4:4-6 the light John 1:13 isn't personified in one person separated from the whole, that light permeates John 1:9 everything and everyone, the letter kills the "one" and fragments that connection into fear based oneness for one part of the body, the ultimate illusion thriving on pride and the belief in two powers. .
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