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    Quote Originally Posted by Spockrates View Post
    Are you saying repentance is wisdom?


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    No.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    Elohim repented is a term used by the Holy Spirit to accommodate the limited capacity of man.
    It's the term used in scripture because that is what happened.

    Who is this mind changing wimp you worship? It is certainly not the Eternal Almighty.
    Yes it is.
    You can call Him a wimp if you wish; won't change the fact that GOD repented several times.


    Jonah 3:10 KJV
    (10) And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
    Jeremiah 18:10 KJV
    (10)
    If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.



    GOD repented several times.
    GOD converted several times?????



    Here, let me help you out.

    The answer is "no", GOD did not convert several times.
    GOD repented several times.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Spockrates View Post

    Yet you say it's not courage I need, but more fear.
    Again, I did not say you do not need courage. You definitely need fear of God.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spockrates View Post
    A greater, more terrifying fear of what God will do to me, than what avoiding temptation will do to me.

    Then I hear the words spoke through Joshua:

    Joshua 1:7-9 “"Be strong and very courageous. Be careful to obey all the law my servant Moses gave you; do not turn from it to the right or to the left, that you may be successful wherever you go. Keep this Book of the Law always on your lips; meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do everything written in it. Then you will be prosperous and successful. Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged, for the Lord your God will be with you wherever you go.”"

    So I wonder my friend if what you say is true, or if the opposite be true, and what I need is not to fear God, but to have confidence in Him.
    You are badly mistaken if you think I say things that the Bible doesn't say.
    You misunderstand what Joshua was saying.
    I have scriptures that I want to post for you so that you will see that I say what the Bible says.
    We have to have fear and trembling to be saved.
    ]2 Corinthians 7:17 And his affection for you is all the greater when he remembers that you were all obedient, receiving him with fear and trembling. 1 Peter 2:17 Show proper respect to everyone: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honor the king. Acts 10:35 but accepts men from every nation who fear him and do what is right. Acts 13:26 “Brothers, children of Abraham, and you God-fearing Gentiles, it is to us that this message of salvation has been sent. 2 Corinthians 5:11 [ The Ministry of Reconciliation ] Since, then, we know what it is to fear the Lord, we try to persuade men. What we are is plain to God, and I hope it is also plain to your conscience. Philippians 2:12 [ Shining as Stars ] Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, Hebrews 10:26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.

    Luke 1
    for the Mighty One has done great things for me—
    holy is his name.
    50 His mercy extends to those who fear him,
    from generation to generation.
    51 He has performed mighty deeds with his arm;
    he has scattered those who are proud in their inmost thoughts.

    Luke 12:5 But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him. Luke 23:40 But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? Acts 5:11 Great fear seized the whole church and all who heard about these events. Acts 10:2 He and all his family were devout and God-fearing; he gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly. Romans 3:18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.” Hebrews 11:7 By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that comes by faith. 1 Peter 1:17 Since you call on a Father who judges each man’s work impartially, live your lives as strangers here in reverent fear.
    Revelation 14:7 He said in a loud voice, “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water.” Revelation 15:4 Who will not fear you, O Lord, and bring glory to your name? For you alone are holy. All nations will come and worship before you, for your righteous acts have been revealed.”
    Revelation 19:5 Then a voice came from the throne, saying: “Praise our God, all you his servants, you who fear him, both small and great!” Isaiah 11:3 and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears; Psalm 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; all who follow his precepts have good understanding. To him belongs eternal praise.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Thank you for replying back.


    That is right, we have to desire to know the Truth.


    Well, I didn’t say fear would give you courage. I said fear in God can help you get sin out of your life. If a person really does fear God, they will give up the sins that they are doing; they will see the delight in the fear of God when they see how they stopped their sins.


    You have to fear God more than you fear giving up that which is against God.
    You have to trust God by doing what He says and He says you will be blessed by it. You will not know how great the blessing is until you actually start doing what He says. God sys to hate what is evil. Let’s say right now that you love what is evil. You will have to obey God and say you hate it, until you actually do hate it. Learn to hate everything about it. Once you do what God says by hating evil, you will be blessed with more understanding.


    The Bible does not contradict. There are many scriptures that say to fear God. You just do not understand what is being said in that scripture. The people were afraid because Moses was dead and Joshua was reassuring them that they would be okay.


    What I say is true because it is exactly what the Bible says. You can find out if what the Bible says is true. Jesus explains to us that if someone does not know if what he says is true, then all they have to do is to do what he says then they will know. Jesus says he reveals himself to those who obey him. You will have to believe what He says and not lean to the left or to the right, and do not add or take away. See, you already want to change the words about fearing God to having confidence in Him. Just believe what is written and do what He says, and you will be blessed beyond what you have ever imagined.
    Thank you for your frank reply. Yes, I can see what you say is true, for the Bible also tells me:

    Psalm 111:10 "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom... ."

    So yes, wisdom begins with fear, but does it end there?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    It's the term used in scripture because that is what happened.

    Yes it is.
    You can call Him a wimp if you wish; won't change the fact that GOD repented several times.


    Jonah 3:10 KJV
    (10) And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
    Jeremiah 18:10 KJV
    (10)
    If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.



    GOD repented several times.
    GOD converted several times?????



    Here, let me help you out.

    The answer is "no", GOD did not convert several times.
    GOD repented several times.


    You're welcome.
    There is none so blind who think they can see.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spockrates View Post
    Thank you for your frank reply. Yes, I can see what you say is true, for the Bible also tells me:

    Psalm 111:10 "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom... ."

    So yes, wisdom begins with fear, but does it end there?


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    Fearing God will help you not to sin.

    You will know Jesus if you obey and you will have love as you have never known before.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Fearing God will help you not to sin.

    You will know Jesus if you obey and you will have love as you have never known before.
    Are you saying fear is the beginning of wisdom and love is its end?

    EDIT: Yes, I think this must be your meaning, but please let me know if I'm mistaken.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    There is none so blind who think they can see.
    Then open your eyes and let not your heart be hardened.


    Jonah 3:10 KJV
    (10) And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.


    Jeremiah 18:10 KJV
    (10) If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.

    Proverbs 18:17 He that is first in his own cause seemeth just; but his neighbour cometh and searcheth him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    No.
    Sorry for being slow to comprehend. It seems to me these words of yours define godly wisdom:

    "Repentance is a spiritual change in which the eyes of the understanding are opened and a vision of the attributes of Deity are clearly perceived for the first time. ..."

    For when I replace the word repentance with the word wisdom, it sounds wise to me!

    "[Godly wisdom] is a spiritual change in which the eyes of the understanding are opened and a vision of the attributes of Deity are clearly perceived for the first time. ..."

    But please tell me why you disagree. How do you define godly wisdom?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Spockrates View Post
    Are you saying fear is the beginning of wisdom and love is its end?

    EDIT: Yes, I think this must be your meaning, but please let me know if I'm mistaken.



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    May I say something here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    May I say something here?
    Please do!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Spockrates View Post
    Please do!


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    Love is on going. we never stop loving. Actually love grows. If we are not growing in love, something is very wrong.

    It is safe to say if we are not growing we stopped loving and going the other way. We never stay the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spockrates View Post
    Are you saying fear is the beginning of wisdom and love is its end?

    EDIT: Yes, I think this must be your meaning, but please let me know if I'm mistaken.



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    I think you got it.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    Love is on going. we never stop loving. Actually love grows. If we are not growing in love, something is very wrong.

    It is safe to say if we are not growing we stopped loving and going the other way. We never stay the same.
    Yeah, yeah. Like Heraclitus said: "You cannot step into the same river twice, for when you do, both you and the river have changed!"

    I think, though love is more like the tide on a beach. It ebbs and flows. Is your experience the same?


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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    I think you got it.
    Yeah, yeah, and it makes me wonder: Can love coexist with fear? Though my relationship might begin that way, is that the way it must stay?


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