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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    Do drop by though.
    Ok, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    Ok, thanks.
    I have a peace at this moment that I'm convinced is due to our both been humbled. You by the great humbler of mankind and me by your expression of humility.

    My sincere thanks, H.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    I have a peace at this moment that I'm convinced is due to our both been humbled. You by the great humbler of mankind and me by your expression of humility.

    My sincere thanks, H.
    I slept well last night after my apology.

    I thank you for showing me the verse to humble me.

    hitomi

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    I slept well last night after my apology.

    I thank you for showing me the verse to humble me.

    hitomi
    I was having a conversation with Squeaky yesterday about the thorn in the flesh that deflated Paul's puffed up "problem". I think that maybe we have been a thorn to each other? That both our stubborn ego's have been wonderfully deflated.

    To the praise of the glory of His grace.

    Huw.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    My irony meter just blew and entered low earth orbit.


    Why is it that people who question the integrity of others always go on to prove they have none of their own?
    You should take you're own advice then because you constantly do the she thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeke View Post
    You should take you're own advice then because you constantly do the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    I was having a conversation with Squeaky yesterday about the thorn in the flesh that deflated Paul's puffed up "problem". I think that maybe we have been a thorn to each other? That both our stubborn ego's have been wonderfully deflated.

    To the praise of the glory of His grace.

    Huw.
    I agree.

    But I still try to stick to what Jesus says because there are too many vague verses to stumble us.

    Jesus' word is clear to me IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    I think one has to do all that He says.



    I would say that about myself also.
    Did you grow up in a Christian setting?
    I do not even know if you claim a denomination.
    Would you mind explaining a little of your beliefs?


    I believe God gives all a measure of faith. It sounds as if you have been influenced much by Luther and or Calvin?

    I do think hearing God's Truth is not as easily heard as it was when the apostles themselves preached it during the laying of the foundation. God testified to what they said by allowing them to do miraculous things. We have so many denominations out there now with so many false doctrines that to actually trust someone to teach you the truth is a hard thing. Most people cause more confusion than help. After we study from so many different sources, we end up having to repent of all that we knew.


    I am so glad that we do have much in agreement.
    I will attempt to go into some detail about whatever you like friend. I do not have time now though. Must get ready for and go to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    Luke 5:32

    Sinners are called to repentance. Which proves that repentance is not available to man as a right or ability.
    Why would sinners be told to do a thing that is outside of their capacity to perform in your opinion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spockrates View Post
    Thank you. I suppose there are different ways to make such a U-turn. One might stop and change direction with one's thoughts, or with one's words, or with one's deeds.

    When it comes to the U-turn required for eternal salvation, which of these do you think is required of me?


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    I cannot say sir. To do so would be to judge you without knowing your works. It isn't for me to pass judgement at this time as I too am a student.

    I will say that if it is eternal salvation you seek ( attainment for self) and this is your sole motive behind repentance then be patient and opened to the things of GOD.

    Your conscience will guide you to what is good and right. But for it to be accurate and true you must remove self from equations, or rather the bias that want for self brings to thought processes.

    Patience, perseverance, and faith that grows are what you need. Relinquish doubt, study the Word in whatever form you find it, fear no thing but the consiquinces of your actions upon GODLY judgement.

    Peace to you.
    It is always good to witness an avid seeker of the Truth.

    May GOD guide us all.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Spockrates View Post
    1 John 4:18 "There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love."

    It seems to me much of scripture is ambiguous, as is this passage. For there is another possible meaning: The perfect love is not my love for God, which I fear will never be perfect, but God's love for me.

    Which possibility is more probable I don't know.

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    I would need to read it within context and unfortunately don't have time to attempt a worthy explanation.

    I will be back later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
    I would need to read it within context and unfortunately don't have time to attempt a worthy explanation.

    I will be back later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
    Why would sinners be told to do a thing that is outside of their capacity to perform in your opinion?

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    Sinners are told to trust, to repent, to be holy, but these abilities are beyond the power of man to perform. This is why the sinner needs to be rescued from our obvious weakness, amongst other things.

    I don't have an opinion, but I do have a scripture:


    But Elohim hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and Elohim hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;"

    If a man declares his will is free to chose then the mans is also declaring he has the power to perform that choice he makes.

    I have a saying that I have often used in business. " If you seriously want to impress me. Don't talk about it, just do it. I will notice."

    He who sits on high looks down at the pride of man, who says he has free will, and He laughs at the feeble boast and says, Go on then, do it.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    Sinners are told to trust, to repent, to be holy, but these abilities are beyond the power of man to perform. This is why the sinner needs to be rescued from our obvious weakness, amongst other things.

    I don't have an opinion, but I do have a scripture:


    But Elohim hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and Elohim hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;"

    If a man declares his will is free to chose then the mans is also declaring he has the power to perform that choice he makes.

    I have a saying that I have often used in business. " If you seriously want to impress me. Don't talk about it, just do it. I will notice."

    He who sits on high looks down at the pride of man, who says he has free will, and He laughs at the feeble boast and says, Go on then, do it.
    I'm sorry.....that last part.....am I mistaken or is that not scripture? If it is could you please give me a reference that I might seek it out and read it for myself?

    I find the Christ of GOD, that One; Jesus of Nazareth was indeed given the power and authority to both abide by and magnify/ reflect the light of GOD. I too find Job, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, David, John the Baptizer, and Elias to seem to have been found to be utterly pleasing to GOD, and as such, must conclude that if GOD wills for us to be without blemish then we have the capacity for such, by the example and way that is the Christ. It is not pride or boasting to silently abide by and submit to the will of GOD. Difficult? At this time.... yes.
    Scripture does not lie nor does it insist on the impossible.

    To be clear; I do not deny that the things seemingly powerless are the things with the capacity to confound, due to our own meandering or tarrying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
    I'm sorry.....that last part.....am I mistaken or is that not scripture? If it is could you please give me a reference that I might seek it out and read it for myself?

    I find the Christ of GOD, that One; Jesus of Nazareth was indeed given the power and authority to both abide by and magnify/ reflect the light of GOD. I too find Job, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, David, John the Baptizer, and Elias to seem to have been found to be utterly pleasing to GOD, and as such, must conclude that if GOD wills for us to be without blemish then we have the capacity for such, by the example and way that is the Christ. It is not pride or boasting to silently abide by and submit to the will of GOD. Difficult? At this time.... yes.
    Scripture does not lie nor does it insist on the impossible.

    To be clear; I do not deny that the things seemingly powerless are the things with the capacity to confound, due to our own meandering or tarrying.

    peace

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    We have no such capacity. It man did, then man wouldn't need to be rescued.

    Psalm 2 is the verse you want.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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