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    ‘When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not wholly reap the corners of your field when you reap, nor shall you gather any gleaning from your harvest. You shall leave them for the poor and for the stranger: I am the Lord your God.’”

    I was thinking about this commandment a couple of days ago. I was thinking about the contemporary business drive to squeeze every last penny; we clearly wholly reap every corner.

    This isn't the same thing as alms. It has a wonderful elegance to it that satisfies charity while requiring some effort on the part of the person receiving it.

    So, given that we're more and more an urban, intellectual property and service oriented economy, what would it look like to leave the corners of the fields in the current day?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidK View Post
    ‘When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not wholly reap the corners of your field when you reap, nor shall you gather any gleaning from your harvest. You shall leave them for the poor and for the stranger: I am the Lord your God.’”

    I was thinking about this commandment a couple of days ago. I was thinking about the contemporary business drive to squeeze every last penny; we clearly wholly reap every corner.

    This isn't the same thing as alms. It has a wonderful elegance to it that satisfies charity while requiring some effort on the part of the person receiving it.

    So, given that we're more and more an urban, intellectual property and service oriented economy, what would it look like to leave the corners of the fields in the current day?
    Do a little work in a food bank, etc - but many today who "will work for food" will kick your car or worse if you actually offer them the chance.

    That instruction was given to israel though in a time when most were farmers too, a community garden would be an idea, but those things were for the wanderer, traveler, etc.. not those breaking the law, demanding freebies that are capable of work etc..
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidK View Post
    ‘When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not wholly reap the corners of your field when you reap, nor shall you gather any gleaning from your harvest. You shall leave them for the poor and for the stranger: I am the Lord your God.’”
    I was thinking about this commandment a couple of days ago. I was thinking about the contemporary business drive to squeeze every last penny; we clearly wholly reap every corner.
    This isn't the same thing as alms. It has a wonderful elegance to it that satisfies charity while requiring some effort on the part of the person receiving it.
    I have been thinking along the exact same lines!
    Oxfam recently published a report that 8 persons hold as much wealth as HALF the population of the Earth, and that got me to wondering about the old laws.

    Every single one of the 613 laws helped to strengthen tribe cohesion, protect from sickness (esp mass sickness), increase security, provide for all and establish justice. I accept that several of the laws were vicious and dreadful but thousands of years ago a disease could rip through a tribe in a very short time.

    So, given that we're more and more an urban, intellectual property and service oriented economy, what would it look like to leave the corners of the fields in the current day?
    Brilliant! One example...... the Retail Trade needs to get rid of damaged stock and returned stock, etc but because it worries that, say, store staff might throw out good stock to collect later and similar kinds of theft, all discarded stock has to be smasshed to pieces before being placed in skips for removal. A collection service for discarded stock and a special collection service for 'recent spent sell-by dates' could be enforced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidK View Post
    ‘When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not wholly reap the corners of your field when you reap, nor shall you gather any gleaning from your harvest. You shall leave them for the poor and for the stranger: I am the Lord your God.’”
    How about:-
    Deuiteronomy {24:19} When thou cuttest down thine harvest in thy field, and hast forgot a sheaf in the field, thou shalt not go again to fetch it: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hands. {24:20} When thou beatest thine olive tree, thou shalt not go over the boughs again: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow. {24:21} When thou gatherest the grapes of thy vineyard, thou shalt not glean [it] afterward: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow. {24:22} And thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in the land of Egypt: therefore I command thee to do this
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidK View Post

    So, given that we're more and more an urban, intellectual property and service oriented economy, what would it look like to leave the corners of the fields in the current day?
    Look at this one....
    Deuteronomy {15:7} If there be among you a poor man of one of thy brethren within any of thy gates in thy land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not harden thine heart, nor shut thine hand from thy poor brother: {15:8} But thou shalt open thine hand wide unto him, and shalt surely lend him sufficient for his need, [in that] which he wanteth.
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    EDIT! I should have looked further....

    Deuteronomy {15:11} For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel4Truth View Post
    Do a little work in a food bank, etc - but many today who "will work for food" will kick your car or worse if you actually offer them the chance.

    That instruction was given to israel though in a time when most were farmers too, a community garden would be an idea, but those things were for the wanderer, traveler, etc.. not those breaking the law, demanding freebies that are capable of work etc..
    Yeah, it's kind of a cycle, isn't it? Handing out money or stuff in an impersonal way sets up expectations of being supported. That's why the law of reaping is so elegant. It sets up an expectation that anyone who is able to work, but doesn't have land or skill can still eat.

    I have been amazed in doing street ministry how many people consider hearing the gospel and having to be inside by 10pm to be an overwhelming burden in exchange for food and a place to stay. I've known many, though, who were desperate to do work in exchange for what they are given (admittedly sometimes out of pride) and the law of reaping provides that for them.

    We have a neighborhood guy who comes around and asks for change for his medication, though I expect his medication comes from the neighborhood party store. He rakes leaves for us or clears snow in exchange. My wife will give him more money than really makes sense for what he does, but I try to respect his desire to work and expect a reasonable amount of work for the money. I suppose that's a reflection of gleaning. Another is leaving our recyclables out at the curb, rather than taking them in to get the change back ourselves. Someone always comes by and pulls out the returnables before the truck comes by to get them.

    It occurs to me that this question probes into our disconnect from people in the contemporary age. Big corporations are too impersonal to really do gleaning types of things... it's more efficient to just give money to local charities who largely give money or food without requiring anything. Just like it's easy for us as individuals to just give to a charity rather than helping individuals around us, getting involved in their circumstances. Sometimes we even give money to charities that give money to charities, eating up more of the giving into middle men rather than to the work of helping those who need it.

    So money flows (or doesn't) without relationship to give it context.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eider View Post
    Brilliant! One example...... the Retail Trade needs to get rid of damaged stock and returned stock, etc but because it worries that, say, store staff might throw out good stock to collect later and similar kinds of theft, all discarded stock has to be smasshed to pieces before being placed in skips for removal. A collection service for discarded stock and a special collection service for 'recent spent sell-by dates' could be enforced.
    Yes. I'd forgotten about recent movements toward collecting food from grocery stores and restaurants and reselling at discount prices or stocking food banks. By all reports, the developed world throws out obscene amounts of slightly blemished but completely edible and nutritious food because we have become so spoiled by our luxury that we won't buy anything but perfect looking food.
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    Corporate globalism is not capitalism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidK View Post
    Yes. I'd forgotten about recent movements toward collecting food from grocery stores and restaurants and reselling at discount prices or stocking food banks. By all reports, the developed world throws out obscene amounts of slightly blemished but completely edible and nutritious food because we have become so spoiled by our luxury that we won't buy anything but perfect looking food.
    Absolutely!
    I know that this thread is about food, but folks do need goods such as blankets, clothing, shoes, in fact a whole range of items. These items gets smashed up and trashed rather than sent out to chgarity shops etc.

    I often take rubbish to my local Council Waste Site. People throw everything out from working bicycles to furniture to tools..... quite amazing. But staff at the Waste Site are not allowed to let anybody take anything from the Site. Once dumped, gear stays dumped. Dreadful waste!

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    What a bunch of liars and cheats. The amazing thing is they think they are influencing anybody other than themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eeset View Post
    Surplus food sits rotting while millions starve.
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