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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    I think you are a failure on all three of those things.
    Of course you would say that. You are wrong about everything.

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    The plainest meaning of the apostles themselves about 'Israel' reaching the nations is the mission work that went all over the known world. that is why Jesus launched with the 70, which became about 220 by the time Pentecost happened. The Gospel has no place in your thinking and has been disenfranchised by Israel the nation.
    I believe ALL of the gospels.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

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    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Of course you would say that. You are wrong about everything.


    I believe ALL of the gospels.


    There are 4 literary docs called gospels. I'm referring to the one gospel preached by Christ and the apostles (though hid from them when they realized it wasn't about a miracle-monarchy in Israel) that has nothing to do with your theological complications.

    No one is wrong or right about everything. Hopefully you will have the maturity to see that and not find your identity in putting down before you even think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    There are 4 literary docs called gospels. I'm referring to the one gospel preached by Christ and the apostles (though hid from them when they realized it wasn't about a miracle-monarchy in Israel) that has nothing to do with your theological complications.
    I was not talking about "literary docs". I was talking about the many gospels throughout scripture.

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    No one is wrong or right about everything. Hopefully you will have the maturity to see that and not find your identity in putting down before you even think.
    You have shown yourself to be so consistently wrong that I was using a generalization. A real writer and grammar scholar would understand that.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    I was not talking about "literary docs". I was talking about the many gospels throughout scripture.


    You have shown yourself to be so consistently wrong that I was using a generalization. A real writer and grammar scholar would understand that.



    There is only one gospel when you get to the post-exilic era starting with Isaiah. That is why, as you know as a grammar scholar, it is called the gospel in Lk 4 and Is 61.

    When the disciples realized it was going to be about the death of Christ and not a miracle-soaked monarchy in Israel, they blustered. That does not mean what they thought was a gospel was true, nor that any change whatsoever had been made. it means they were immature and in denial.

    This is why we are not to take snippets of an unfolding historic account like the gospels-as-literary-docs and say, 'see, there's a different gospel there, than here...'

    Watching the disciples mature (which is a big part of the synoptic--Acts taken together) is not saying there are other gospels. Even Paul said he once 'knew' Christ 'kata sarka / in the ordinary way' but now knows... That statement alone means there never was another gospel, just immature and carnal observers.

    This is also why we are not to contradict Paul who said there was just one--or be accursed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    There is only one gospel when you get to the post-exilic era starting with Isaiah. That is why, as you know as a grammar scholar, it is called the gospel in Lk 4 and Is 61.

    When the disciples realized it was going to be about the death of Christ and not a miracle-soaked monarchy in Israel, they blustered. That does not mean what they thought was a gospel was true, nor that any change whatsoever had been made. it means they were immature and in denial.

    This is why we are not to take snippets of an unfolding historic account like the gospels-as-literary-docs and say, 'see, there's a different gospel there, than here...'

    Watching the disciples mature (which is a big part of the synoptic--Acts taken together) is not saying there are other gospels. Even Paul said he once 'knew' Christ 'kata sarka / in the ordinary way' but now knows... That statement alone means there never was another gospel, just immature and carnal observers.

    This is also why we are not to contradict Paul who said there was just one--or be accursed.
    More humanism and rationalization from Dr. Phil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    When the disciples realized it was going to be about the death of Christ and not a miracle-soaked monarchy in Israel, they blustered.
    Humanism, rationalization, unbelief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    This is also why we are not to contradict Paul who said there was just one--or be accursed.
    He did not say there was just one existing gospel, to the Galatians. You made that up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    There is only one gospel when you get to the post-exilic era starting with Isaiah. That is why, as you know as a grammar scholar, it is called the gospel in Lk 4 and Is 61.
    I never claimed to be a grammar scholar, but thanks anyway.

    The numerous uses of "the gospel OF" clearly and unambiguously shows that there are multiple gospels.

    It's so simple that even a grammar scholar should be able to understand it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    When the disciples realized it was going to be about the death of Christ and not a miracle-soaked monarchy in Israel, they blustered. That does not mean what they thought was a gospel was true, nor that any change whatsoever had been made. it means they were immature and in denial.
    You always use the funniest terminology.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    This is why we are not to take snippets of an unfolding historic account like the gospels-as-literary-docs and say, 'see, there's a different gospel there, than here...'

    Watching the disciples mature (which is a big part of the synoptic--Acts taken together) is not saying there are other gospels. Even Paul said he once 'knew' Christ 'kata sarka / in the ordinary way' but now knows... That statement alone means there never was another gospel, just immature and carnal observers.
    That is because the church which is His body is not Israel. Israel has promises of a land and a kingdom in that land. The churches place is seated in heaven.

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    This is also why we are not to contradict Paul who said there was just one--or be accursed.
    Another piece of silliness.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
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    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    You always use the funniest terminology.

    A tell tale sign of commentary worshipers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    He did not say there was just one existing gospel, to the Galatians. You made that up.
    Looks like one gospel .


    Gal 1:7
    Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
    Heb 4:2
    For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    Looks like one gospel .

    Gal 1:7
    Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
    Gospels:
    • the gospel of the kingdom
    • the gospel of Christ
    • the gospel of God
    • the gospel of the grace of God
    • the gospel of the uncircumcision
    • the gospel of the circumcision
    • the gospel of peace
    • the everlasting gospel

    All related, but not identical.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
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    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Gospels:
    • the gospel of the kingdom
    • the gospel of Christ
    • the gospel of God
    • the gospel of the grace of God
    • the gospel of the uncircumcision
    • the gospel of the circumcision
    • the gospel of peace
    • the everlasting gospel

    All related, but not identical.
    Yes, and if dodge would research the identity of the perverters, he'd see that they were believers.


    Acts 15
    5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

    6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    Looks like one gospel .


    Gal 1:7
    Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
    The Galatians, indeed, had been given one gospel by Paul.
    But others existed, obviously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    The Galatians, indeed, had been given one gospel by Paul.
    But others existed, obviously.
    Nope, Paul preached the same gospel that God hinted at in Genesis 3 !
    Heb 4:2
    For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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    Yes, and if dodge would research the identity of the perverters, he'd see that they were believers.

    Acts 15
    5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

    6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
    Excellent point.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
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