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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    USSID 18 has not been banned ! What are you talking about ?
    The conduct you're talking about, not USSID 18.


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    Bottom line if you UN-mask an American citizen it is a CRIME.
    That's flatly false. There is a procedure for it because it's perfectly permissible when certain conditions are met.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rexlunae View Post
    What he's pointing out to you is that it's a procedure document, not a statute. Violating it could bring administrstive penalties, but not criminal charges. That's a fairly important distinction.

    If you can't handle the facts...
    You are talking about someone in the intelligence community unmasking it. That's who the administrative penalties apply to.

    I'm sure dodge is referring to people in the executive branch ordering the unmasking.

    You are saying it's perfectly legal for the administration to unmask an American citizen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rexlunae View Post
    The conduct you're talking about, not USSID 18.




    That's flatly false. There is a procedure for it because it's perfectly permissible when certain conditions are met.
    What are those conditions?

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    From the daily mail:

    "Revealed: Obama's national security adviser asked for Trump's associates' names to be 'UNMASKED' from intelligence reports dozens of times - before they were leaked

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    This is perfectly legal you say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClimateSanity View Post
    You are talking about someone in the intelligence community unmasking it. That's who the administrative penalties apply to.

    I'm sure dodge is referring to people in the executive branch ordering the unmasking.
    First of all, the intelligence agencies are just as much part of the executive branch as the NSC advisor. So there's that. And that is irrelevant to the objection raised, which is that what was posted IS NOT A STATUTE. It doesn't become one by alchemy just because it moves from the NSA to the White House.

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    You are saying it's perfectly legal for the administration to unmask an American citizen?
    Under certain circumstances. And it's a fairly low bar, usually related to the need to understand the information. And unmasking does not entail publicly releasing.
    Global warming denialists are like gravity denialists piloting a helicopter, determined to prove a point. We may not have time to actually persuade them of their mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClimateSanity View Post
    What are those conditions?
    I'm no expert at it, but my understanding is that one of them is to better understand the meaning of the information relevant to national security.
    Global warming denialists are like gravity denialists piloting a helicopter, determined to prove a point. We may not have time to actually persuade them of their mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rexlunae View Post
    First of all, the intelligence agencies are just as much part of the executive branch as the NSC advisor. So there's that. And that is irrelevant to the objection raised, which is that what was posted IS NOT A STATUTE.
    The intelligence agencies are part of the bureaucracy. The NSC advisor is not part of the bureaucracy nor part of the intelligence agencies.

    The NSC is free to ask the CIA to unmask political enemies for the sole purpose of leaking that information in order to bring down those enemies?


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    Quote Originally Posted by rexlunae View Post
    I'm no expert at it, but my understanding is that one of them is to better understand the meaning of the information relevant to national security.
    That can be used as an excuse. What's to stop the NSC advisor or anyone else in the administration from unmasking political opponents for purely partisan reasons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rexlunae View Post


    Under certain circumstances. And it's a fairly low bar, usually related to the need to understand the information. And unmasking does not entail publicly releasing.
    I understand unmasking and leaking are two separate actions. Isn't leaking of unmasked intelligence that you specifically asked to be unmasked illegal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClimateSanity View Post
    That can be used as an excuse. What's to stop the NSC advisor or anyone else in the administration from unmasking political opponents for purely partisan reasons?
    White House staff can't unmask someone. They have to request an unmasking of the agencies that provide the intercepts, who then review the request to see if policy allows it.
    Global warming denialists are like gravity denialists piloting a helicopter, determined to prove a point. We may not have time to actually persuade them of their mistake.

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    Did you know all of this before today or did you look into your favourite websites to find it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClimateSanity View Post
    I understand unmasking and leaking are two separate actions. Isn't leaking of unmasked intelligence that you specifically asked to be unmasked illegal?

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    Generally, as I understand it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rexlunae View Post
    White House staff can't unmask someone. They have to request an unmasking of the agencies that provide the intercepts, who then review the request to see if policy allows it.
    What's to stop anyone in the administration from asking the intelligence community to unmask their political opponents for political reasons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClimateSanity View Post
    Did you know all of this before today or did you look into your favourite websites to find it?
    Before today, yes. Before this year? No. It's mostly the information I've accumulated from listening to a variety of experts talk about how it works.
    Global warming denialists are like gravity denialists piloting a helicopter, determined to prove a point. We may not have time to actually persuade them of their mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rexlunae View Post
    Generally, as I understand it.
    Then Susan rice is guilty of that.

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