Are we born sinless? Pelagianism and semi-pelagianism

[dodge]

Evil.Eye.<(I)>;4992232]Your answers are devoid of scriptural support. Well written, and fun to read... but you're out of gas. You're now at the borders of your doctrinal wonderland.

All you have are distortions and rejection of what the scriptures actually says and teaches !

One has to ignore and reject a whole lot of scripture to end up where your ilk has landed.

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

All you have are distortions and rejection of what the scriptures actually says and teaches !

One has to ignore and reject a whole lot of scripture to end up where your ilk has landed.

Oh... Okay... I have an idea... I'll link all 5 of my OP's that you can't even touch and are full of scripture.

Here... I link some scripture for you BRB

Scriptural List Core Scriptures
(The Deceiver) Revelation 12:9; For all the “Nay Sayers” that want to take the devil out of the doctrine… note that you are denying “SCRIPTURE” that spans from Genesis to Revelation… and… that’s not a good idea!

Spoiler

John 12:31; Luke 10:18; 2 Cor. 4:4; John 8:44; Rev. 20:10; Rev. 20:2-3; Rev. 12:3; 1 John 5:19; 1 Pet. 5:8; 2 Thes. 2:9f, 11; 2 Co. 11:3; Gen. 3:1; Rm. 16:20; John 16:11; John 14:30; Luke 13:16; Mt. 25:41; Mt. 4:10; Is. 14:12; Rv. 19:20; Rv. 18:23; Rv. 18:2; Rv. 16:14; Rv. 12:7; Rv. 9:20; Rv. 2:24; Jd. 1:9; 1 John 3:8-10; Heb. 2:14; 2 Tim. 3:13; 1 Tim. 3:6-7; 1 Tim. 2:14; 2 Thes. 2:3; Eph. 4:14; 2 Cor. 12:7; 2 Cor. 11:14; 2 Co. 2:11; Rm. 16:18; Acts 26:18; Acts 5:3; Luke 22:31; Luke 22:3; Luke 8:12; Mt. 24:24; Mt. 13:39; Mt. 4:8; Mt. 4:5; Mt. 4:1; Zech. 3:1f; Ezek. 28:16; Is. 27:1; Ps. 109:5; Job 2:1-2; Job 1:6f, 8f, 10f, 12; 1 Chr. 21:1; Gen. 3:13; Gen. 3:4f;

(The Deceived) 1 Tim. 2:14; Gen. 3:6; Gen. 3:13; 2 Cor. 11:3; 1 Thes. 3:5; Rev. 12:15

(The Heart Broken Groom of Self-Sacrifice) Rm. 8:2; Rm. 5:14; John 6:57; John 5:21; Gen. 2:7; Gen. 2:23; Gen. 2:24; Eph. 5:30; Eph. 5:25; Mt. 19:3f, 5f, 7f, 9; Eph. 5:28f, 30f; 1 Co. 6:16f; 1 Co. 7:10f; 1 Pt. 3:1f, 3f, 5f, 7; 1 Co. 7:2f, 4; Rm. 7:2; Pr. 31:10; Pr. 12:4; 1 Tim. 5:14; Acts 11:23; Joshua 23:8; Dt. 4:4; Lev. 22:12f; Gn. 31:14f, Gn. 24:58f;

(Love Trumps ALL) John 15:13; 1 John 2:7; 3:11; Lev. 19:18; 2 John 1:5f; Mk. 12:29f, 31f, 33f, 35f; Gal. 5:13f; Rm. 13:8f, 10; Mt. 22:37f, 39f; 1 John 3:23; 1 John 2:24; James 2:8f, 10f, 12; Mt. 5:43; Dt. 6:5; Lev. 19:34

[dodge]

Oh... Okay... I have an idea... I'll link all 5 of my OP's that you can't even touch and are full of scripture.

Here... I link some scripture for you BRB

Don't waste your time. I prefer scripture in context without the spin you put on it.

[Nang]

Heb. 2:14 and 1 Co. 15:55f

Like 1000 times... WHO Had the "Power" of death in the passage and WHO did God defeat?

Are you seriously even reading what I write?

I don't even know what its called when someone is grossly checkmated and keeps on trying to play.

The only "power" of Satan is deception.

The sovereign power of Christ is Truth.

The former temporal; the latter eternal.

Apples and oranges.

Your dualism brings too much attention and focus upon Satan, who is only a creature, after all.

[Nang]

Oh... Okay... I have an idea... I'll link all 5 of my OP's that you can't even touch and are full of scripture.

Here... I link some scripture for you BRB

Scriptural List Core Scriptures
(The Deceiver) Revelation 12:9; For all the “Nay Sayers” that want to take the devil out of the doctrine… note that you are denying “SCRIPTURE” that spans from Genesis to Revelation… and… that’s not a good idea!

Spoiler

John 12:31; Luke 10:18; 2 Cor. 4:4; John 8:44; Rev. 20:10; Rev. 20:2-3; Rev. 12:3; 1 John 5:19; 1 Pet. 5:8; 2 Thes. 2:9f, 11; 2 Co. 11:3; Gen. 3:1; Rm. 16:20; John 16:11; John 14:30; Luke 13:16; Mt. 25:41; Mt. 4:10; Is. 14:12; Rv. 19:20; Rv. 18:23; Rv. 18:2; Rv. 16:14; Rv. 12:7; Rv. 9:20; Rv. 2:24; Jd. 1:9; 1 John 3:8-10; Heb. 2:14; 2 Tim. 3:13; 1 Tim. 3:6-7; 1 Tim. 2:14; 2 Thes. 2:3; Eph. 4:14; 2 Cor. 12:7; 2 Cor. 11:14; 2 Co. 2:11; Rm. 16:18; Acts 26:18; Acts 5:3; Luke 22:31; Luke 22:3; Luke 8:12; Mt. 24:24; Mt. 13:39; Mt. 4:8; Mt. 4:5; Mt. 4:1; Zech. 3:1f; Ezek. 28:16; Is. 27:1; Ps. 109:5; Job 2:1-2; Job 1:6f, 8f, 10f, 12; 1 Chr. 21:1; Gen. 3:13; Gen. 3:4f;

(The Deceived) 1 Tim. 2:14; Gen. 3:6; Gen. 3:13; 2 Cor. 11:3; 1 Thes. 3:5; Rev. 12:15

(The Heart Broken Groom of Self-Sacrifice) Rm. 8:2; Rm. 5:14; John 6:57; John 5:21; Gen. 2:7; Gen. 2:23; Gen. 2:24; Eph. 5:30; Eph. 5:25; Mt. 19:3f, 5f, 7f, 9; Eph. 5:28f, 30f; 1 Co. 6:16f; 1 Co. 7:10f; 1 Pt. 3:1f, 3f, 5f, 7; 1 Co. 7:2f, 4; Rm. 7:2; Pr. 31:10; Pr. 12:4; 1 Tim. 5:14; Acts 11:23; Joshua 23:8; Dt. 4:4; Lev. 22:12f; Gn. 31:14f, Gn. 24:58f;

(Love Trumps ALL) John 15:13; 1 John 2:7; 3:11; Lev. 19:18; 2 John 1:5f; Mk. 12:29f, 31f, 33f, 35f; Gal. 5:13f; Rm. 13:8f, 10; Mt. 22:37f, 39f; 1 John 3:23; 1 John 2:24; James 2:8f, 10f, 12; Mt. 5:43; Dt. 6:5; Lev. 19:34

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

Don't waste your time. I prefer scripture in context without the spin you put on it.

Brilliant... Dodge scripture and then come back with a smashing rebuttal. How very A-J squared away of you.

I just linked scripture that supports everything I am saying, but if you want the old goat to get off scott free and bind him to Adam... who is a typification of Jesus... by all means... let the old goat off the hook.

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

The only "power" of Satan is deception.

The sovereign power of Christ is Truth.

The former temporal; the latter eternal.

Apples and oranges.

Your dualism brings too much attention and focus upon Satan, who is only a creature, after all.

You literally have no scriptural legs to stand on here. And... I agree... Satan "Deceives".

Cough... Cough...

Oops... Look mom... Hebrews 2:14 reveals that Nang is wrong!

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

And... Now we know that Nang is sleepy when she reads scripture. The root of the problem is now clear. Give here some creeds or writings of men and she's "eyes wide open".

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

YOUR problem seems to be you think Satan ate off of the tree instead of Adam !


Where exactly in scripture does it say "in Satan all die" ?

I can give you the scripture that says "in Adam all die".

1st Co. 15 is about death and rebirth into our incorruptible bodies. Also... it says... As in Adam...

1st Co. 15:26 is an interesting ditty... Why is death "personified"?

26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death.

Waiting breathlessly for your doctrines of men answer.

Oh... looky ... 1 John 3:10 is an issue as it insinuates a different head ship?!? I wonder if Jesus said the same thing?

Do you believe in "predestination" Dodge?

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

Mt. 13:38
Luke 6:35 ... Predestination is "loving your enemy"?
John 8:44
John 8:47... which comes after John 8:44... hmmm ... headship? Did Jesus say you are "Son's of Adam"?

[Eagles Wings]

What's with the military jabs, guys?

Has nothing to do with topical debate.

Thanks for your service.

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

John 12:31 ... Did Jesus lie?

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

What's with the military jabs, guys?

Has nothing to do with topical debate.

Thanks for your service.

It was from me and I have enormous respect for Dodges service. It was a way of staying friendly while we were disagreeing.

And... you are welcome.

[intojoy]

You are aware that the hyphen in the book of Job in the matter of the words "Sons of God" and the usage of the word "nephilim" as giant in the case of Goliath makes the usage of the book of Enoch kind of lame in discussion... right?

It's one of those matters that really shouldn't be used for doctrine.

It's a valid question. Stink eyes.
The offspring of the daughters of men and angels. What was their spiritual condition?


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[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

It's a valid question. Stink eyes.
The offspring of the daughters of men and angels. What was their spiritual condition?


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The word for "Sons of God" does not completely correlate with "Angels" because of the way the actual Hebrew translates. The book of Job shows this. The word Nephilim is also a word for "giant" in reference to Goliath. So... post flood. Not accurate.

It's an idea and it comes from the book of Enoch which is a sham. Only the first chapter has any recognizable validity.

I'm not trying to be a "killjoy"... but facts is facts.