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    Quote Originally Posted by heir View Post
    You think so because you believe not and are blinded because of it (2 Corinthians 4:3-4 KJV).
    Paul was saved though the same Gospel I was.

    You claim the Lord gave him another gospel to preach other than the one Paul was saved by.

    Ridiculous Madism.

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    My theology is that the elect of Israel became the scattered church among the nations, and when filled up with the full number of gentiles who believe to become one with them, then Christ will return and gather them, and God will then pour out His wrath on the unbelievers of both Jew and Gentile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    LA, I believe that is God's call not ours.
    Then you might as well say nothing and not be a seen as a foolish person.

    It would mean you stand for nothing.

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    My theology is that the elect of Israel became the scattered church among the nations, and when filled up with the full number of gentiles who believe to become one with them, then Christ will return and gather them, and God will then pour out His wrath on the unbelievers of both Jew and Gentile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon View Post
    Then you might as well say nothing and not be a seen as a foolish person.

    It would mean you stand for nothing.

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    Not at all sharing what God has taught is what we share ! I was just saying condemning folks to eternal condemnation is God's place not ours.
    PJ said: "belief" in Jesus, is not Paul's gospel .
    How can there be a another Gospel based on Gal. 1:22-23 ? The faith Paul once destroy post#20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    Lol - I doubt you and DanP are "on the same team."
    Of course you don't. It wouldn't be divisive enough for your taste.

    I make the alligators look tame.
    A wretched, spiteful, straight-razor totin' woman.
    Lord have mercy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Of course you don't. It wouldn't be divisive enough for your taste.
    No worries....he'll keep working on driving a wedge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    No worries....he'll keep working on driving a wedge.
    He thinks everyone else is the problem, not him.

    I make the alligators look tame.
    A wretched, spiteful, straight-razor totin' woman.
    Lord have mercy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    Not at all. There is one Gospel. There is the matter of what happens when that gen of Israel responds to it, but there is no change about its essential doctrine. God was in Christ reconciling the world. He honored Christ by raising him to the throne David envisioned.

    If you don't know NT history, then you might think there is another gospel there, when all they were doing was saying that certain things might happen to Israel in that generation that were needless misery.
    Made up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    The key issue - spiritual status - changed post Acts 6, that is; in Acts 7.

    The issue being that Unbelieving Israel had continued in the Uncircumcision of their hearts.

    Which is where Paul himself was, spiritually, when the Lord first appeared to him.

    That right there is that aspect of the gospel of Christ known as the gospel of the Uncircumcision.

    And a careful, word for word comparison of Acts 9; with Gal. 1; and Acts 15, shows that Paul had thriving Gentile based assemblies before Acts 13.

    And on and on...

    It is the 28ers who read things into Acts that are not the case.

    Consider that you have just asked me the very question the 28ers ask.

    And yet, you take issue with my pointing out to you my observation that some of your views are obviously a hybrid of Acts 9 and Acts 28 views.

    Obviously, you and I approach our study of these things somewhat differently.

    1 Thess. 2, makes it clear that God had already temporarily turned from His plans and purpose with Israel in His wrath, many years before Acts 28.

    That same persecution of Paul and his converts by Uncircumcision Israel is mentioned by him as early as Galatians.

    It is clear to me why you and I have arrived at different views.

    I had solved for all those things before I ever even heard of the Acts 28 position or anyone influenced by their views into a hybrid of them with Acts 9.

    As a result, when I encountered said views of theirs, I was easily able to see their holes.

    Some old fool set in his or her myopia will right off read their stupidity into that last statement.

    I am merely stating that that is where I was by the time I encountered the 28er view, and later: the hybrid of it with Acts 9 it has resulted in, in some.

    Those are my observations, bro.

    I posted that guy, Shawn's link, because when I first ran accross his observations about the various passages (ran accross him for the first time about two months ago, or so), I found they are basically the same observations of the passages, that I had long ago basically come to the same conclusions about...as to your question to me here in this post.

    I neither hate you for your different understanding, nor dislike you.

    Make of this what you will.
    Tongues, sign gifts, to the Jew first, did any of that change?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    Since YOU aint God you do not get to make that call. Even though it appears sometimes you confuse yourself to exactly who you are and who you think you might be.


    I can know from the scripture that there is no Olive Tree today, and therefore, LA is not graffed in.
    You can know it, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon View Post
    Paul was saved though the same Gospel I was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post


    I can know from the scripture that there is no Olive Tree today, and therefore, LA is not graffed in.
    You can know it, too.
    The analogy still holds true today according to Paul.


    Rom 11:24
    For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
    PJ said: "belief" in Jesus, is not Paul's gospel .
    How can there be a another Gospel based on Gal. 1:22-23 ? The faith Paul once destroy post#20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    The analogy still holds true today according to Paul.


    Rom 11:24
    For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
    Irrelevant, as there is no Olive Tree today which God recognizes as such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    Irrelevant, as there is no Olive Tree today which God recognizes as such.
    Since Israel will be grafted back in according to Paul the olive tree analogy is relevant . What is irrelevant is the false doctrine of MAD.
    PJ said: "belief" in Jesus, is not Paul's gospel .
    How can there be a another Gospel based on Gal. 1:22-23 ? The faith Paul once destroy post#20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    Since Israel will be grafted back in according to Paul the olive tree analogy is relevant . What is irrelevant is the false doctrine of MAD.
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